looking for input for a lecture on TDD and XtremeTDD
Hello I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). Iâm looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture. S. -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
Hi Stef, One of the funniest talks about TDD is the one from Hernán Wilkinson : https://youtu.be/x4CXWBW5fMo (minute 29 starts the TDD coding show) It's in Argentine Spanish dialect, but it's worth to see. Cheers, Hernán El mar., 14 abr. 2020 a las 9:36, Stéphane Ducasse (< stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>) escribió:
Hello
I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). Iâm looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture.
S. -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
Hi Stef, Iâve done some workshops and screencasts. In the workshops (oops, already a few years ago) I used a morph that was moving on the screen to emphasize the liveness. The BabyMock2 work by Attila Magyar is also great for that. It also is good to show the difference between Chicago and London style TDD, and connect to BDD. In Smalltalk, that is more represented by the exploratory modeling I was introduced to by Rob Vens. https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/ For a lecture TDD as if you meant is is a good starting point: https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/ GToolkit of course provides some nice example-driven development, that combines well with literate programming In my latest screencasts I ran into the following issues: - restarting a test does not make it green after going through it if it needed a fix - canât step into simple accessors (and other optimized code?) - in addition to create, need to be able to create/change setUp/initialize/shutDown - a refactoring âturn fake into classâ is missing where instVar := self and there are methods categorized as âfaking instVarâ https://vimeo.com/329317634 https://vimeo.com/329368348 Stephan Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 14 apr. 2020 om 14:36 heeft Stéphane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse@inria.fr> het volgende geschreven:
Hello
I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). Iâm looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture.
S. -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
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tx!
On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:44, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
Hi Stef,
Iâve done some workshops and screencasts. In the workshops (oops, already a few years ago) I used a morph that was moving on the screen to emphasize the liveness. The BabyMock2 work by Attila Magyar is also great for that. It also is good to show the difference between Chicago and London style TDD, and connect to BDD. In Smalltalk, that is more represented by the exploratory modeling I was introduced to by Rob Vens.
https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/ <https://www.reflektis.nl/blog/exploratory-modelling-explained/>
For a lecture TDD as if you meant is is a good starting point:
https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/ <https://cumulative-hypotheses.org/2011/08/30/tdd-as-if-you-meant-it/>
GToolkit of course provides some nice example-driven development, that combines well with literate programming
In my latest screencasts I ran into the following issues: - restarting a test does not make it green after going through it if it needed a fix - canât step into simple accessors (and other optimized code?) - in addition to create, need to be able to create/change setUp/initialize/shutDown - a refactoring âturn fake into classâ is missing where instVar := self and there are methods categorized as âfaking instVarâ
https://vimeo.com/329317634 <https://vimeo.com/329317634>
https://vimeo.com/329368348 <https://vimeo.com/329368348>
Stephan
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
Op 14 apr. 2020 om 14:36 heeft Stéphane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse@inria.fr> het volgende geschreven:
Hello
I would like to build a lecture around TDD and XtremeTDD (coding in the debugger). Iâm looking around to see if someone already did such a lecture.
S. -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
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-------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
participants (4)
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Boris Shingarov -
Hernán Morales Durand -
Stephan Eggermont -
Stéphane Ducasse