Hello, We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. We are not the only ones concerned! Take a look at: http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-adopts-conflict-resolution-code/ http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo: 1/ to always keep the fun 2/ to describe how works the Pharo community to newcomers. Christophe.
demarey wrote
We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo:
Good idea :) And, at the same time, I've enjoyed the fact that we all give each other a little leeway to speak candidly without necessarily being politically correct. As mentioned in the Ubuntu code, personal attacks seem to be a clear sign that things are off track. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-code-of-conduct-tp4810860p4810901.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Well you could also rename "ubuntu code of conduct" to "pissing against the wind" to be more accurate. Since their biggest troll is Linus himself, the creator of Linux. And since they are not going to kick him out any time soon , such document is as pointless as it could ever be. Fortunately Pharo is in the opposite side and a far better position than the Linux community will ever be. The real question is that if pharo ever gets a troll like Linus that also happens to be a very substantial contributor will the Pharo community have the courage to kick this guy out. I would most definetly not be sticking around to find out. I love Pharo , but I love having fun with coding even more. "Good conduct" is a flag almost all people wave around but very few willing to fight for it. A piece of paper is just meaningless without the relevant actions.People who have zero tolerance against behaviour with the clear intention to ridicule , insult and divide a community. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Christophe Demarey < Christophe.Demarey@inria.fr> wrote:
Hello,
We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. We are not the only ones concerned! Take a look at:
- http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-adopts-conflict-resolution-code/ - http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo: 1/ to always keep the fun 2/ to describe how works the Pharo community to newcomers.
Christophe.
Linus might not (always) be the nicest person, but he is not a troll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) <quote> In Internet slang, a troll (/ËtroÊl/, /ËtrÉl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] </quote> I don't think he goes around upsetting/harassing people just for the hell of it ;-) After quickly skimming the Ubuntu doc, I must say I like it.
On 10 Mar 2015, at 13:24, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you could also rename "ubuntu code of conduct" to "pissing against the wind" to be more accurate. Since their biggest troll is Linus himself, the creator of Linux.
And since they are not going to kick him out any time soon , such document is as pointless as it could ever be.
Fortunately Pharo is in the opposite side and a far better position than the Linux community will ever be. The real question is that if pharo ever gets a troll like Linus that also happens to be a very substantial contributor will the Pharo community have the courage to kick this guy out. I would most definetly not be sticking around to find out.
I love Pharo , but I love having fun with coding even more.
"Good conduct" is a flag almost all people wave around but very few willing to fight for it. A piece of paper is just meaningless without the relevant actions.People who have zero tolerance against behaviour with the clear intention to ridicule , insult and divide a community.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Christophe Demarey <Christophe.Demarey@inria.fr> wrote: Hello,
We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. We are not the only ones concerned! Take a look at: ⢠http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-adopts-conflict-resolution-code/ ⢠http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo: 1/ to always keep the fun 2/ to describe how works the Pharo community to newcomers.
Christophe.
In agree in principal. Polite is better, and personal attacks should be avoided. However on the flip side, you know I like to quote ESR [1]: "Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by people actively applying them, visibly, in public. Don't whine that all criticism should have been conveyed via private e-mail: That's not how it works. Nor is it useful to insist you've been personally insulted when someone comments that one of your claims was wrong, or that his views differ. Those are loser attitudes. There have been hacker forums where, out of some misguided sense of hyper-courtesy, participants are banned from posting any fault-finding with another's posts, and told âDon't say anything if you're unwilling to help the user.â The resulting departure of clueful participants to elsewhere causes them to descend into meaningless babble and become useless as technical forums. Exaggeratedly âfriendlyâ (in that fashion) or useful: Pick one." Actually I think our community does pretty well at being both useful and friendly. cheers -ben [1] http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Linus might not (always) be the nicest person, but he is not a troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
<quote> In Internet slang, a troll (/ËtroÊl/, /ËtrÉl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] </quote>
I don't think he goes around upsetting/harassing people just for the hell of it ;-)
After quickly skimming the Ubuntu doc, I must say I like it.
On 10 Mar 2015, at 13:24, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you could also rename "ubuntu code of conduct" to "pissing against the wind" to be more accurate. Since their biggest troll is Linus himself, the creator of Linux.
And since they are not going to kick him out any time soon , such document is as pointless as it could ever be.
Fortunately Pharo is in the opposite side and a far better position than the Linux community will ever be. The real question is that if pharo ever gets a troll like Linus that also happens to be a very substantial contributor will the Pharo community have the courage to kick this guy out. I would most definetly not be sticking around to find out.
I love Pharo , but I love having fun with coding even more.
"Good conduct" is a flag almost all people wave around but very few willing to fight for it. A piece of paper is just meaningless without the relevant actions.People who have zero tolerance against behaviour with the clear intention to ridicule , insult and divide a community.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Christophe Demarey < Christophe.Demarey@inria.fr> wrote: Hello,
We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. We are not the only ones concerned! Take a look at: ⢠http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-adopts-conflict-resolution-code/ ⢠http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo: 1/ to always keep the fun 2/ to describe how works the Pharo community to newcomers.
Christophe.
Yes the ubuntu is really nice. Stef Le 10/3/15 09:47, Christophe Demarey a écrit :
Hello,
We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. We are not the only ones concerned! Take a look at:
* http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-adopts-conflict-resolution-code/ * http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo: 1/ to always keep the fun 2/ to describe how works the Pharo community to newcomers.
Christophe.
There's also Ashe Dryden's FAQ http://www.ashedryden.com/blog/codes-of-conduct-101-faq On 12 March 2015 at 16:31, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
Yes the ubuntu is really nice.
Stef
Le 10/3/15 09:47, Christophe Demarey a écrit :
Hello,
We got some threads around the best way to work / communicate between ourselves. We are not the only ones concerned! Take a look at:
- http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-adopts-conflict-resolution-code/ - http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
I really like the ubuntu code of conduct. We could adopt one for Pharo: 1/ to always keep the fun 2/ to describe how works the Pharo community to newcomers.
Christophe.
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