https://lastpass.com/ http://www.atlassian.com/ http://belighted.com/ A common fixture is at the bottom with the footer including a ton of links under the fold. And a call to action just in the face of visitors (get it, download it etc) And a damn product packshot. (screen shot for non ad junkies). FWIW, notice that there is a ton of social proof in there in the form of logos, testimonials etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof Social proof is the best thing ever for us humans, we do have a herd mentality, even if the ST community still evades this somewhat. Phil 2013/3/28 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com>:

The Vagrant site is cool. The RoR is nice too, but a little old these days. But I agree the Pharo site needs to be better, and modern.

You don't have to leave the Smalltalk community to find a simple site: Amber-lang.net It has all, what I think, a newcomer would expect: an intro, a few FAQs, a code snippet, links to download it or to its Github repo. The same goes for the Node.js webiste.

Python and Django on the other hand have more complex websites.

Regards!

Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/3/28 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni@gmail.com>:

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I like this http://vagrantup.com

and I think you have to immediately address the users by letting them chose

I am new => show how to download details and everything I am pro => directly show raw links / discussions ... I am a company? :D

of course one should not exclude the other, but we should optimize for the targeted audience

On 2013-03-28, at 11:49, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi,

I would like to discuss something about a complete redesign of the site because right now, while it was good some years ago, now is old and confusing... I would like something clean and easy, more or less like the ruby on rails site: http://rubyonrails.org

ideas?

Esteban

ps: this is a brainstorm for a change that will take time, do not expect too much too soon :)