That comment requires elaboration or at least some examples of what one can/should do, but getting past that is a big hurdle in learning Smalltalk. Things old to us can be earth shattering: something as simple as creating a new package (or even just a new class or a new class method somewhere, etc.) vs. writing a whole new program in some other language. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of John McIntosh [johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:33 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for engineers Casual mention of iPhone port, always helpfull On 2/4/11, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com> wrote:

James Robertson spotted this post:

http://unhandledexpression.com/2011/02/04/smalltalk-for-engineers/

I was especially interested in the statement "you don’t understand what you can/should do ..." -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-for-engineers-tp3261551p3261551.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Fair enough. One of my big messages to newbies is that we Smalltalkers refer to "the development tools" with no small measure of reverence, but they look austere to those from the outside. The reason is simple: the Smalltalk tools do not need to have countless toolbars; one can simply interact directly with the objects using the compiler which "lurks just below" the workspaces in the various tools. Welcome aboard! Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Geoffroy Couprie [geo.couprie@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:49 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for engineers That's what I was trying to express: when you already program with another language, you can easily understand a new language, but you have big assumptions that will slow you down. I just pointed out the most important parts that surprised me when I learned Smalltalk. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote:

That comment requires elaboration or at least some examples of what one can/should do, but getting past that is a big hurdle in learning Smalltalk. Things old to us can be earth shattering: something as simple as creating a new package (or even just a new class or a new class method somewhere, etc.) vs. writing a whole new program in some other language.

________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of John McIntosh [johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:33 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for engineers

Casual mention of iPhone port, always helpfull

On 2/4/11, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com> wrote:

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James Robertson spotted this post:

http://unhandledexpression.com/2011/02/04/smalltalk-for-engineers/

I was especially interested in the statement "you don’t understand what you can/should do ..." -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-for-engineers-tp3261551p3261551.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Bearded +1 -- Cheers, Peter. On 5 feb 2011, at 13:02, Geoffroy Couprie <geo.couprie@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Thanks for advertising my post :)

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes@gmail.com> wrote:

...

James Robertson spotted this post:

http://unhandledexpression.com/2011/02/04/smalltalk-for-engineers/

I was especially interested in the statement "you don’t understand what you can/should do ..."

Well, we could make a poll to see who is bearded here...

Working with Smalltalk and Pharo has been a fun journey, and I'm still enjoying the ride.

I especially thank Steph for introducing me to this wonderful platform!

Grey bearded _and_ long hair +10000:) Dale On Feb 5, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Geert Claes wrote:

Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote:

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Bearded +1

Bearded +1 :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-for-engineers-tp3261551p3261768.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.