Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Morphic on HTML+CSS
S, Colin Putney piše:
In light of recent Microsoft surprising U-turn announcement [1] that in Windows 8 it swithes to HTML5 (HTML5+CSS+JavaScript) instead of .NET+WPF and Silverlight for desktop app development it is IMO a right time to think about:
1. is this a clear signal that HTML5 for ALL apps, both desktop and the web is inevitable?
No. Apple isn't going that way, and Microsoft is just dipping its toe in the water.
2. is this a clear signal that we need to rebuild Morphic on top of HTML+CSS, to leverage all Morphic advantages and come back to bleeding edge again?
Dan Ingalls has done it already: http://lively-kernel.org/
Lively is a project to watch and study, but Lively is JavaScript only, not using HTML and CSS, as far as I know. Separation of design with CSS is namely something which really raised the creativity fo designers on the web. This can help building better and nicely looking Smalltalk apps too! Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
2011/6/15 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si>:
S, Colin Putney piše:
In light of recent Microsoft surprising U-turn announcement [1] that in Windows 8 it swithes to HTML5 (HTML5+CSS+JavaScript) instead of .NET+WPF and Silverlight for desktop app development it is IMO a right time to think about:
1. is this a clear signal that HTML5 for ALL apps, both desktop and the  web is inevitable?
No. Apple isn't going that way, and Microsoft is just dipping its toe in the water.
2. is this a clear signal that we need to rebuild Morphic on top of  HTML+CSS, to leverage all Morphic advantages and come back  to bleeding edge again?
Dan Ingalls has done it already: http://lively-kernel.org/
Lively is a project to watch and study, but Lively is JavaScript only, not using HTML and CSS, as far as I know.
Separation of design with CSS is namely something which really raised the creativity fo designers on the web. This can help building better and nicely looking Smalltalk apps too!
indeed. this separation is good. And it would be even better if you separate HTML from the web :)
Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
S, Igor Stasenko piše:
2. is this a clear signal that we need to rebuild Morphic on top of HTML+CSS, to leverage all Morphic advantages and come back to bleeding edge again?
Dan Ingalls has done it already: http://lively-kernel.org/
Lively is a project to watch and study, but Lively is JavaScript only, not using HTML and CSS, as far as I know.
Separation of design with CSS is namely something which really raised the creativity fo designers on the web. This can help building better and nicely looking Smalltalk apps too!
indeed. this separation is good. And it would be even better if you separate HTML from the web :)
You actually can. There is no need for HTML to render webpages, as Lively show nicely. Pages can be composed just from JavaScript by DOM manipulation API. Same with CSS. And even a combination is possible: JS built page, but with classical external CSS. External CSS is ideal for web designers and Lively can be actually improved visualy that way. Whic would also make it more popular, we shouldn't forget aesthetics even for academic work to be successful these days :) Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565
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