Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo and the rest of the ecosystem
That's a good point. I regularly see that Stef and others harvest enhancements and fixes from Squeak and CUIS. Surely, the other way around is also true. We simply have to live with the fact that many forks exist, and each of them is maintained by a small set of people who put a lot of energy into their own system. And sometimes they will collaborate, and sometimes not. The community behind Pharo, shouldnt be required to always be aware of external enhancements. And vice-versa for the remaining forks. Fernando On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Now I do not see the points related to spoon and cuis. I do not understand what is the point. If people wants to collaborate with us this is ok now we do not count on that for our future.
You do not have to reply. Just think about what you want to build and your future. Everybody make choices and is free.
I see the point behind Cuis/Spoon discussion in a wish to avoid duplication efforts in Smalltalk community. A wish to hear from you a word, something like: "yes we will look in Cuis to see if we can reuse some ideas or even code". To express just a will to look at achievements of others would help here. I think this is what many of us wants to hear.
Did you notice that we ***already*** harvested some of the CUIS items? Now it does not make sense to stay compatible for the sake of it. Look CUIS changes the class definition meta data and this is ok. Now nobody went to say to Juan that he should not ⦠blablbalbalba
Stef
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
El 4/24/12 9:09 AM, "Fernando Olivero" <fernando.olivero@usi.ch> escribió:
The community behind Pharo, shouldnt be required to always be aware of external enhancements. And vice-versa for the remaining forks.
Fernando
Un libro sabio dice: Los hermanos sean unidos.... A wise book says: The brothers are united... Or Pharo is not descendent of ...... Don't put name here for not irritate people Edgar
Want X run on Y? Do it. Port it, implement it. Why asking or blaming someone for not paying attention to your needs if you can do it yourself? I find this approach strange. Do original authors of pharo/cuis/whatever owe you something? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
On 4/24/12, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero@usi.ch> wrote:
That's a good point. I regularly see that Stef and others harvest enhancements and fixes from Squeak and CUIS. Surely, the other way around is also true.
We simply have to live with the fact that many forks exist, and each of them is maintained by a small set of people who put a lot of energy into their own system.
Yes.
And sometimes they will collaborate, and sometimes not.
And this is possible because all is under the MIT license.
The community behind Pharo, shouldnt be required to always be aware of external enhancements. And vice-versa for the remaining forks.
Yes. --Hannes
Fernando
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Now I do not see the points related to spoon and cuis. I do not understand what is the point. If people wants to collaborate with us this is ok now we do not count on that for our future.
You do not have to reply. Just think about what you want to build and your future. Everybody make choices and is free.
I see the point behind Cuis/Spoon discussion in a wish to avoid duplication efforts in Smalltalk community. A wish to hear from you a word, something like: "yes we will look in Cuis to see if we can reuse some ideas or even code". To express just a will to look at achievements of others would help here. I think this is what many of us wants to hear.
Did you notice that we ***already*** harvested some of the CUIS items? Now it does not make sense to stay compatible for the sake of it. Look CUIS changes the class definition meta data and this is ok. Now nobody went to say to Juan that he should not ⦠blablbalbalba
Stef
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
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