Re: [Pharo-project] Notifiers
Lukas, My understanding is that the OB tool set is the presumptive choice for Pharo - unless I'm wrong, that makes this a Pharo related topic, if only to reopen the choice in light of your position. Do as you want, but Object Arts had this idea and very quickly decided the simpler notifier had a very essential role. They left the option, activated the notifier by default, and strongly warned against deactivating it. That was based on being bitten by the kinds of concerns I have documented here. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
renggli@gmail.com 12/20/08 6:33 PM >>> Sorry, but I think nobody understands:
The "issue" reported has absolutely nothing to do with Pharo, but with the extra package OB-Tools that Damien decided to include with his development images. There is no option to enable or disable the pre-debugger, and I won't add one either: <http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/2008-August/000580.html>. If you don't like OB-Tools you either don't load the package or select a different toolset by evaluating "ToolSet askForDefault". Lukas On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Bill Schwab <BSchwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
That would be better than the current situation, but, among other questions I'm probably not going to think of, it might be easy to decide how many debuggers are open when the error occurs, but how many are trying to open? Maybe a shared queue would suffice. Anyway, I get a vote, and it's in favor of notifiers; if there is further a preference to skip that step, that's fine by me.
Bill
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pennell.david@gmail.com 12/20/08 4:52 PM >>> So only open one and recognize eecursive UHE and do something clever. Opening an infinite # of any kind of window sucks.
-david
On Dec 20, 2008, at 2:58 PM, "Bill Schwab" <BSchwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
Stef,
Under ordinary circumstances, it's ok, but OA tried this and then quickly decided it was a bad idea. Imagine a budding recursive chain of errors; the extra load of opening the debugger can prevent a rescue that might be possible given a lightweight notifier.
Bill
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stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 12/20/08 2:37 PM >>> ahh now I understand because I'm often working on pharo core and I could not really understand what was the problem.
Now indeed what is wrong with getting just the debugger? assuming the same error is raised? stef On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote:
I don't quite understand. When I do "1 foo" I get a notifier window (the small one) and not the full debugger.
I guess Bill is using the Dev-Image of Damien with OB-Tools loaded.
Lukas
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My understanding is that the OB tool set is the presumptive choice for Pharo - unless I'm wrong, that makes this a Pharo related topic, if only to reopen the choice in light of your position.
I don't know which is the official Pharo image? There is a plain one without any extras loaded that the Pharo team uses for their releases, and then there is one with additional tools loaded by Damien that also contains OB-Tools.
Do as you want, but Object Arts had this idea and very quickly decided the simpler notifier had a very essential role. They left the option, activated the notifier by default, and strongly warned against deactivating it. That was based on being bitten by the kinds of concerns I have documented here.
Don't get me wrong. Feel free to add this preference and the additional dialog, but don't expect me to do it: http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/2008-August/000580.html Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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