We should use the pharo users mailing list more often. Imagine there are people only subscribed to the users list. They can't see a lot of interesting posts and the users list does not appear to be very lively. At least half of the posts here in the last days I would like to see on the users list. So if your post is not really about the development of pharo or is not a problem with pharo core (external package discussions belong IMHO to the users list as well) then consider to post to the users list. Everyone you like to reach is subscribed there, too. Norbert
+1 On 23 Sep 2013, at 08:17, Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name> wrote:
We should use the pharo users mailing list more often. Imagine there are people only subscribed to the users list. They can't see a lot of interesting posts and the users list does not appear to be very lively. At least half of the posts here in the last days I would like to see on the users list. So if your post is not really about the development of pharo or is not a problem with pharo core (external package discussions belong IMHO to the users list as well) then consider to post to the users list. Everyone you like to reach is subscribed there, too.
Norbert
Here is a radical suggestion you probably don't want to hear. Close down Pharo users mailing list, redirect everyone to stackoverflow. Consider stackoverflow is THE forum for coding, I cant think of a better place to ask questions for smalltalk and pharo , rarely questions left unanswered there and I wont even start to discuss how cool of a website it is. Oh and a "minor" bonus is a huge advertisement for pharo. But then take my idea with a grain of salt, I don't like mailing lists :) Thank god for forum.world.st :D Norbert Hartl wrote
We should use the pharo users mailing list more often. Imagine there are people only subscribed to the users list. They can't see a lot of interesting posts and the users list does not appear to be very lively. At least half of the posts here in the last days I would like to see on the users list. So if your post is not really about the development of pharo or is not a problem with pharo core (external package discussions belong IMHO to the users list as well) then consider to post to the users list. Everyone you like to reach is subscribed there, too.
Norbert
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Am 23.09.2013 um 08:48 schrieb kilon <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>:
Here is a radical suggestion you probably don't want to hear.
why not?
Close down Pharo users mailing list, redirect everyone to stackoverflow.
Consider stackoverflow is THE forum for coding, I cant think of a better place to ask questions for smalltalk and pharo , rarely questions left unanswered there and I wont even start to discuss how cool of a website it is.
I think there is a big difference between a discussion medium and a question-answer site. What I like about this community is the fact that most of the discussions are interesting and have potential to learn something from it. Look at some of the threads. There are often a minimum of 2 replies each making at least 4 or 5 mails of one topic. That is a form of communication that makes sense to me. I would welcome a better way of exchanging ideas than email but I didn't see one, yet. I like stackoverflow as well but it is a poor site for discussing. Discussions happen through the misuse of comments. A lot of the threads posted on pharo users list aren't suited for stackoverflow. So I wouldn't consider stackoverflow a replacement of the users list.
Oh and a "minor" bonus is a huge advertisement for pharo.
But then take my idea with a grain of salt, I don't like mailing lists :) Thank god for forum.world.st :D
I see. I would like to see that stackoverflow is used more often but I don't see how. The intention of my mail was that there is indeed a "using crowd" of pharo that isn't interested in the very details of the core development. So I still consider the separation of the lists good. Maybe it is only my lonely view of our world. But as long as we have the two lists I would welcome it if the "normal" stuff would happen on the users list. My point of view is that there should be first a users list. And in order not to startle newcomers the dev cracks should be moved to their own mailing list :) Norbert
Norbert Hartl wrote
We should use the pharo users mailing list more often. Imagine there are people only subscribed to the users list. They can't see a lot of interesting posts and the users list does not appear to be very lively. At least half of the posts here in the last days I would like to see on the users list. So if your post is not really about the development of pharo or is not a problem with pharo core (external package discussions belong IMHO to the users list as well) then consider to post to the users list. Everyone you like to reach is subscribed there, too.
Norbert
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I like that idea. At least some of the questions on the users list are not even Pharo specific but regard Smalltalk in general. Those need not be answered by us but can be answered by anyone with a Smalltalk background, be it VW, VA, Squeak⦠On the other hand (I'm not sure about this, since I don't read the users list) there might be topics like job offers / searches, or more general discussions on that list and moving to SO would kill those (one could argue that such topics would be more suitable on pharo-devâ¦) since SO is strictly question and answer orientated. Another argument for closing the users list: Marcus wouldn't have to save two lists the next time the servers go down :) Cheers, Max On 23.09.2013, at 08:48, kilon <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Here is a radical suggestion you probably don't want to hear.
Close down Pharo users mailing list, redirect everyone to stackoverflow.
Consider stackoverflow is THE forum for coding, I cant think of a better place to ask questions for smalltalk and pharo , rarely questions left unanswered there and I wont even start to discuss how cool of a website it is.
Oh and a "minor" bonus is a huge advertisement for pharo.
But then take my idea with a grain of salt, I don't like mailing lists :) Thank god for forum.world.st :D
Norbert Hartl wrote
We should use the pharo users mailing list more often. Imagine there are people only subscribed to the users list. They can't see a lot of interesting posts and the users list does not appear to be very lively. At least half of the posts here in the last days I would like to see on the users list. So if your post is not really about the development of pharo or is not a problem with pharo core (external package discussions belong IMHO to the users list as well) then consider to post to the users list. Everyone you like to reach is subscribed there, too.
Norbert
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