Re: [Pharo-project] Nearly limitless Image: revisited.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 12:58, Janko Mivšek wrote:
For Pharo there seems everyone is avoiding this idea, mostly because of image corruption fear. Well, we need to improve the robustness of Pharo image and VM then this fear will vanish. It is obviously doable, if VW is reliable enough, why not once Pharo?
I am trying to be polite: remarks like this are unfair and not based on the experiences of most of the people in the Pharo community or of the companies using Pharo. It is perfectly possible to have stable long running servers based on Pharo. Sneaking in these phrases in simply spreading FUD.
It's not fair to expect, for nothing, the same as you get from a very expensive product. Especially if even just entering a bug report is seemingly already too much to ask (!), while for VisualWorks, you have to pay real money. "It is obviously doable" has a differnt meaning with some Millions of EUR per year that one can spend for engineering than without. Without, it's *far* from obvious! Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
S, Marcus Denker piše:
On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 29 Feb 2012, at 12:58, Janko Mivšek wrote:
For Pharo there seems everyone is avoiding this idea, mostly because of image corruption fear. Well, we need to improve the robustness of Pharo image and VM then this fear will vanish. It is obviously doable, if VW is reliable enough, why not once Pharo?
I am trying to be polite: remarks like this are unfair and not based on the experiences of most of the people in the Pharo community or of the companies using Pharo. It is perfectly possible to have stable long running servers based on Pharo. Sneaking in these phrases in simply spreading FUD.
It's not fair to expect, for nothing, the same as you get from a very expensive product. Especially if even just entering a bug report is seemingly already too much to ask (!), while for VisualWorks, you have to pay real money.
"It is obviously doable" has a differnt meaning with some Millions of EUR per year that one can spend for engineering than without. Without, it's *far* from obvious!
Guys, calm down a bit please. There will be a Pharo Consortium, we will actually pay something, so it is a time to start improving the support infrastructure as well. With users vs internal developer distinction included. I'm using both VW and Pharo now, so why won't you listen my observations and experiences a bit? They are for good, not for bad! And one of attributes of a professional is to stand the constructive critics and not feel offended immediately. Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Guys, calm down a bit please. There will be a Pharo Consortium, we will actually pay something, so it is a time to start improving the support infrastructure as well.
We are and this is two years already that we are :)
With users vs internal developer distinction included.
I'm using both VW and Pharo now, so why won't you listen my observations and experiences a bit? They are for good, not for bad!
ok
And one of attributes of a professional is to stand the constructive critics and not feel offended immediately.
yes :)
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