Pharo for the Raspberry Pi
Hi all, I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi? I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images. Thanks, Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Thierry, On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support. Sven
Thanks,
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On 2 October 2013 10:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
It would require a whole new VM wouldn't it? Or did the switch to a Cog VM only happen during the 3.0 cycle? (Because Cog doesn't run on ARM.) frank
Sven
Thanks,
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On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:07, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2 October 2013 10:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
It would require a whole new VM wouldn't it? Or did the switch to a Cog VM only happen during the 3.0 cycle? (Because Cog doesn't run on ARM.)
I don't think it has to do with Cog, but rather with a few silly primitives related to files and time, I am just not sure which ones. But since these are needed during startup, debugging is hard.
frank
Sven
Thanks,
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Ok, thanks for the info, Sven. Thierry Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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Hi, I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid. The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days. Here are some notes I made at the time: On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake # dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev sudo apt-get install build-essential # to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so Once the source is installed: chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed: platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c Hope this helps Nick On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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Hi Nick, On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-) So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ? That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution. Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-) Thanks, Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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Hi Sven, if we manage that stage I'll write that up. This looks like good info to start with :) Thierry Le 02/10/2013 13:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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Maybe I find some time tomorrow to try this out myself. If somebody is super eager to do that stuff I might install remote access to our rasp. Norbert Am 02.10.2013 um 13:58 schrieb Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr>:
Hi Sven,
if we manage that stage I'll write that up. This looks like good info to start with :)
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 13:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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Ah, forgot to ask. What is the status of ARM support for NativeBoost? Norbert Am 02.10.2013 um 13:54 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert@hartl.name>:
Maybe I find some time tomorrow to try this out myself. If somebody is super eager to do that stuff I might install remote access to our rasp.
Norbert
Am 02.10.2013 um 13:58 schrieb Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr>:
Hi Sven,
if we manage that stage I'll write that up. This looks like good info to start with :)
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 13:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
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:) and we will setup a rasp slave on jenkins Stef On Oct 2, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi Sven,
if we manage that stage I'll write that up. This looks like good info to start with :)
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 13:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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On 02 Oct 2013, at 13:58, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi Sven,
if we manage that stage I'll write that up. This looks like good info to start with :)
I was hoping that this would be something in your field of expertise ;-) In any case, I am willing to test on my RPi. Good luck!
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 13:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
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Hi Sven and others, I've attached a screen shot of Pharo 20623.image running on the Raspberry Pi - I'd connected through a VNC session into my Mac. The image is almost unusably slow - I don't know if the problem lays in the graphical performance + VNC rather than the bytecode execution. tinyBenchmarks give: 0 tinyBenchmarks '10471204 bytecodes/sec; 307552 sends/sec' I came across a "PrimitiveFailed" walk-back from NativeBoost class>>#isEnabled and just commented out the primitive call and instead returned false. I guess this is probably as the VM sources I have date back to April/May so probably aren't completely compatible with 2.0. I've shared my Raspberry Pi build folder "result" on dropbox, which contains the StackVM executable built on the Pi: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cnta1hjoo7ptv1j/CELvuMjIRl I haven't tried installing the built StackVM onto a clean Pi distribution so don't know if any of the packages I installed during the build process will also be required for executing the StackVM - don't complain too loudly if just copying the contents from dropbox doesn't work directly on your Pi. I found some more notes I made while trying to compile the VM - though reading them back they seem more like the ramblings of a mad man and I'm sure the problems I ran into compiling the StackVM will be sorted by now: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZIzvTmV4zkYrFgOdAzfZzC35iMAqI2jc-44XQO9w... Also note that Pharo1.2.1 works with the VM used for Scratch in the Raspberry Pi distribution - without the need to build your own VM. Sorry I don't have many free cycles to support, but hope this might help someone to create a "blessed" Raspberry Pi Pharo VM Cheers Nick On 2 October 2013 12:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
-- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Also there is the '[squeak-dev] CharacterScanner and stopConditions' thread following which Tim comments in [vm-dev] "...prompted me to try the latest image with all the new character scanner stuff as well. Wow. Now that makes an improvement. And that's on a stackvm with no fasterbitblt support yet." btc@openinworld.com wrote:
I guess you're aware of Tim Rowledge's work... http://forum.world.st/New-faster-RISC-OS-Squeak-td4668157.html http://www.rowledge.org/tim/squeak/
cheers -ben
Nick Ager wrote:
Hi Sven and others,
I've attached a screen shot of Pharo 20623.image running on the Raspberry Pi - I'd connected through a VNC session into my Mac. The image is almost unusably slow - I don't know if the problem lays in the graphical performance + VNC rather than the bytecode execution. tinyBenchmarks give:
0 tinyBenchmarks '10471204 bytecodes/sec; 307552 sends/sec'
I came across a "PrimitiveFailed" walk-back from NativeBoost class>>#isEnabled and just commented out the primitive call and instead returned false. I guess this is probably as the VM sources I have date back to April/May so probably aren't completely compatible with 2.0.
I've shared my Raspberry Pi build folder "result" on dropbox, which contains the StackVM executable built on the Pi: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cnta1hjoo7ptv1j/CELvuMjIRl
I haven't tried installing the built StackVM onto a clean Pi distribution so don't know if any of the packages I installed during the build process will also be required for executing the StackVM - don't complain too loudly if just copying the contents from dropbox doesn't work directly on your Pi.
I found some more notes I made while trying to compile the VM - though reading them back they seem more like the ramblings of a mad man and I'm sure the problems I ran into compiling the StackVM will be sorted by now: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZIzvTmV4zkYrFgOdAzfZzC35iMAqI2jc-44XQO9w...
Also note that Pharo1.2.1 works with the VM used for Scratch in the Raspberry Pi distribution - without the need to build your own VM.
Sorry I don't have many free cycles to support, but hope this might help someone to create a "blessed" Raspberry Pi Pharo VM
Cheers
Nick
On 2 October 2013 12:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months
ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was
easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS.
* Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly
the same place, eg /home/nick/build)
* Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a
reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev
libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have
changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr>
wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent
if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi)
but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, btc@openInWorld.com wrote:
Also there is the '[squeak-dev] CharacterScanner and stopConditions' thread following which Tim comments in [vm-dev] "...prompted me to try the latest image with all the new character scanner stuff as well.
Can you explain what is the new chararcter stuff? Is it at the vm level? or at the image one? if this is at the image one it is in Pharo? Because I missed that. Stef
Wow. Now that makes an improvement. And that's on a stackvm with no fasterbitblt support yet."
btc@openinworld.com wrote:
I guess you're aware of Tim Rowledge's work... http://forum.world.st/New-faster-RISC-OS-Squeak-td4668157.html http://www.rowledge.org/tim/squeak/
cheers -ben
Nick Ager wrote:
Hi Sven and others,
I've attached a screen shot of Pharo 20623.image running on the Raspberry Pi - I'd connected through a VNC session into my Mac. The image is almost unusably slow - I don't know if the problem lays in the graphical performance + VNC rather than the bytecode execution. tinyBenchmarks give:
0 tinyBenchmarks '10471204 bytecodes/sec; 307552 sends/sec'
I came across a "PrimitiveFailed" walk-back from NativeBoost class>>#isEnabled and just commented out the primitive call and instead returned false. I guess this is probably as the VM sources I have date back to April/May so probably aren't completely compatible with 2.0.
I've shared my Raspberry Pi build folder "result" on dropbox, which contains the StackVM executable built on the Pi: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cnta1hjoo7ptv1j/CELvuMjIRl
I haven't tried installing the built StackVM onto a clean Pi distribution so don't know if any of the packages I installed during the build process will also be required for executing the StackVM - don't complain too loudly if just copying the contents from dropbox doesn't work directly on your Pi.
I found some more notes I made while trying to compile the VM - though reading them back they seem more like the ramblings of a mad man and I'm sure the problems I ran into compiling the StackVM will be sorted by now: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZIzvTmV4zkYrFgOdAzfZzC35iMAqI2jc-44XQO9w...
Also note that Pharo1.2.1 works with the VM used for Scratch in the Raspberry Pi distribution - without the need to build your own VM.
Sorry I don't have many free cycles to support, but hope this might help someone to create a "blessed" Raspberry Pi Pharo VM
Cheers
Nick
On 2 October 2013 12:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Hi Nick,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months >> ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to
write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile locally ;-)
So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 (and presumable 3.0) as well ?
That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term solution.
Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-)
Thanks,
Sven
>>> The procedure I took was:
* From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was >> easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. >>> * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly >> the same place, eg /home/nick/build) >>> * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a >> reliable cross-compiling environment can take days. >>> Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev >> libgl1-mesa-dev >>> sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have >> changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed: >>> platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> >> wrote: >>> Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent >> if possible, on the Raspberry Pi? >>> I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) >> but it doesn't load recent pharo images. >>> Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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>> >
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On Oct 10, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <Stephane.Ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2013, at 4:45 AM, btc@openInWorld.com wrote: > >> Also there is the '[squeak-dev] CharacterScanner and stopConditions' thread >> following which Tim comments in [vm-dev] "...prompted me to try the latest image with all the new character scanner stuff as well. > > Can you explain what is the new chararcter stuff? > Is it at the vm level? or at the image one? > if this is at the image one it is in Pharo? > Because I missed that. Ok I got it this is in the latest squeak image. So this is interesting for pi and the rest and we should have a look and integrate it to Pharo. I asked nicolas cellier how we could obtain it. > Stef > > > >> Wow. Now that makes an improvement. And that's on a stackvm with no fasterbitblt support yet." >> >> >> btc@openinworld.com wrote: >>> I guess you're aware of Tim Rowledge's work... >>> http://forum.world.st/New-faster-RISC-OS-Squeak-td4668157.html >>> http://www.rowledge.org/tim/squeak/ >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> Nick Ager wrote: >>>> Hi Sven and others, >>>> >>>> I've attached a screen shot of Pharo 20623.image running on the Raspberry >>>> Pi - I'd connected through a VNC session into my Mac. The image is almost >>>> unusably slow - I don't know if the problem lays in the graphical >>>> performance + VNC rather than the bytecode execution. tinyBenchmarks give: >>>> >>>> 0 tinyBenchmarks '10471204 bytecodes/sec; 307552 sends/sec' >>>> >>>> I came across a "PrimitiveFailed" walk-back from NativeBoost >>>> class>>#isEnabled and just commented out the primitive call and instead >>>> returned false. I guess this is probably as the VM sources I have date back >>>> to April/May so probably aren't completely compatible with 2.0. >>>> >>>> I've shared my Raspberry Pi build folder "result" on dropbox, which >>>> contains the StackVM executable built on the Pi: >>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cnta1hjoo7ptv1j/CELvuMjIRl >>>> >>>> I haven't tried installing the built StackVM onto a clean Pi distribution >>>> so don't know if any of the packages I installed during the build process >>>> will also be required for executing the StackVM - don't complain too loudly >>>> if just copying the contents from dropbox doesn't work directly on your Pi. >>>> >>>> I found some more notes I made while trying to compile the VM - though >>>> reading them back they seem more like the ramblings of a mad man and I'm >>>> sure the problems I ran into compiling the StackVM will be sorted by now: >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZIzvTmV4zkYrFgOdAzfZzC35iMAqI2jc-44XQO9wSwc/edit?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> Also note that Pharo1.2.1 works with the VM used for Scratch in the >>>> Raspberry Pi distribution - without the need to build your own VM. >>>> >>>> Sorry I don't have many free cycles to support, but hope this might help >>>> someone to create a "blessed" Raspberry Pi Pharo VM >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2 October 2013 12:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hi Nick, >>>>> >>>>> On 02 Oct 2013, at 11:51, Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months >>>>>>>> ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to >>>>> write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid. >>>>> >>>>> What you did (and I can't) is indeed what should be done: recompile >>>>> locally ;-) >>>>> >>>>> So the conclusion is that it worked and that you can now run Pharo 2.0 >>>>> (and presumable 3.0) as well ? >>>>> >>>>> That would be excellent and important news ! And the best short term >>>>> solution. >>>>> >>>>> Either you (but you lack time) or somebody else who feels at home with >>>>> this stuff should redo your steps and produce the actual VM, so that us >>>>> weak high-level programmers can have our Pharo and play ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Sven >>>>> >>>>>>>> The procedure I took was: >>>>>> * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was >>>>>>>> easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. >>>>>>>> * Export the StackVM source >>>>>> * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi >>>>>> * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly >>>>>>>> the same place, eg /home/nick/build) >>>>>>>> * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image >>>>>> >>>>>> I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a >>>>>>>> reliable cross-compiling environment can take days. >>>>>>>> Here are some notes I made at the time: >>>>>> >>>>>> On the raspberry PI: >>>>>> # install build tools >>>>>> sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake >>>>>> >>>>>> # dependencies for vm plugins >>>>>> sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev >>>>>>>> libgl1-mesa-dev >>>>>>>> sudo apt-get install build-essential >>>>>> >>>>>> # to fix: >>>>>> # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM >>>>>> #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE >>>>>> # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ >>>>>> >>>>>> sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so >>>>>> sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so >>>>>> >>>>>> Once the source is installed: >>>>>> >>>>>> chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version >>>>>> chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp >>>>>> >>>>>> At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have >>>>>>>> changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified >>>>> the following, though don't indicate what I changed: >>>>>>>> platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h >>>>>> platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c >>>>>> platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h >>>>>> src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps >>>>>> >>>>>> Nick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote: >>>>>> Ok, thanks for the info, Sven. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thierry >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>> Thierry, >>>>>> >>>>>> On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent >>>>>>>> if possible, on the Raspberry Pi? >>>>>>>> I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) >>>>>>>> but it doesn't load recent pharo images. >>>>>>>> Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. >>>>>> Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sven >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thierry >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thierry Goubier >>>>>> CEA list >>>>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués >>>>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>>>> France >>>>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thierry Goubier >>>>>> CEA list >>>>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués >>>>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>>>> France >>>>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
Thanks Nick. We'll make a try and see how is the situation, then update on the mailing list. Thierry Le 02/10/2013 11:51, Nick Ager a écrit :
Hi,
I managed to compile a StackVM on the raspberry Pi - a couple of months ago - though I haven't tried with the latest StackVM source. I meant to write it up, but life got in the way I'm afraid.
The procedure I took was: * From a PC running Pharo install VMMaker packages (I found it was easiest to run under a Linux (eg Ubuntu) to match the PIs OS. * Export the StackVM source * Install the build tools on the raspberry Pi * Copy exported StackVM source (need to ensure it is copied to exactly the same place, eg /home/nick/build) * Build and test with Pharo2.0.image
I choose to build on the Raspberry Pi as in my experience setting up a reliable cross-compiling environment can take days.
Here are some notes I made at the time:
On the raspberry PI: # install build tools sudo apt-get install gcc g++ cmake
# dependencies for vm plugins sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev libssl-dev libfreetype6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
sudo apt-get install build-essential
# to fix: # /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM #/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lICE # create the following links in: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/
sudo ln -s libSM.so.6 libSM.so sudo ln -s libICE.so.6 libICE.so
Once the source is installed:
chmod +x platforms/unix/config/version chmod +x platforms/unix/config/verstamp
At the time I had to patch a couple of files, but that might have changed with later versions of the StackVM source. My notes say I modified the following, though don't indicate what I changed:
platforms/Cross/vm/sqAtomicOps.h platforms/unix/vm/sqUnixITimerHeartbeat.c platforms/unix/vm/vmVersionInfo.h src/vm/gcc3x-interp.c
Hope this helps
Nick
On 2 October 2013 10:31, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote:
Ok, thanks for the info, Sven.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Thierry,
On 02 Oct 2013, at 10:14, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Using the VM that comes with Raspbian, you can run Pharo 1.4. Pharo 2.0 requires additional VM support.
Sven
Thanks,
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Hi thierry we planned to see how we can compile a new VM Stack with JB on rasp but I got sick and stuck at home. But yes this is on our radar. Stef
Ok. This means I may suggest someone to lend some manpower to look into that. I'll ask. Could a stackVM and an ARM NB be a reasonable, short term target? I saw someone saying he would start on ASMJit for ARM a while back. Thierry Le 02/10/2013 11:15, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :
Hi thierry
we planned to see how we can compile a new VM Stack with JB on rasp but I got sick and stuck at home. But yes this is on our radar.
Stef
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On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr> wrote:
Ok.
This means I may suggest someone to lend some manpower to look into that. I'll ask.
Could a stackVM and an ARM NB be a reasonable, short term target? I saw someone saying he would start on ASMJit for ARM a while back.
I would love now I do not know if Damien will have the energy to continue.
Thierry
Le 02/10/2013 11:15, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit :
Hi thierry
we planned to see how we can compile a new VM Stack with JB on rasp but I got sick and stuck at home. But yes this is on our radar.
Stef
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I guess you need to ask Tim Rowledge about that. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr>wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to know if it is possible to run a version of pharo, recent if possible, on the Raspberry Pi?
I know that there is a squeak vm on Raspian (Debian for the RaspberryPi) but it doesn't load recent pharo images.
Thanks,
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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