Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting!
Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry?
Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) 1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud or on a real server should be a preference. Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be appreciated. We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to learn). For example: a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images. b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / .... /etc/rc.d/smallharbour start and let's go ! 2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly fee related to the service you want, then either a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power user b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated easily. 3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need SmallHarbour :) Laurent Davorin Rusevljan
On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a ...
Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething.
We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will start with Seaside though.
Laurent.
2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact@romain-verduci.com>
We actually have www.seasideho...
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Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there. BTW, cool project and congrats! mariano On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting!
Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry?
Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome)
1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud or on a real server should be a preference.
Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be appreciated.
We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to learn).
For example: a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images.
b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then
apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / ....
/etc/rc.d/smallharbour start
and let's go !
2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly fee related to the service you want, then either
a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power user
b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated easily.
3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need SmallHarbour :)
Laurent
Davorin Rusevljan
On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a ...
Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething.
We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will start with Seaside though.
Laurent.
2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact@romain-verduci.com>
We actually have www.seasideho...
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there.
Yes, good idea to have a look. I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box. Laurent.
BTW, cool project and congrats!
mariano
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting!
Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry?
Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome)
1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud or on a real server should be a preference.
Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be appreciated.
We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to learn).
For example: a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images.
b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then
apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / ....
/etc/rc.d/smallharbour start
and let's go !
2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly fee related to the service you want, then either
a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power user
b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated easily.
3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need SmallHarbour :)
Laurent
Davorin Rusevljan
On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a ...
Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething.
We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will start with Seaside though.
Laurent.
2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact@romain-verduci.com>
We actually have www.seasideho...
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there.
Yes, good idea to have a look.
I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box.
Do it directly on top of Glass and you already have a lot of things for free, included that question ;) You only need to implement the logistic for the app (kind of seasidehosting).
Laurent.
BTW, cool project and congrats!
mariano
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting!
Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry?
Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome)
1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud or on a real server should be a preference.
Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be appreciated.
We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to learn).
For example: a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images.
b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then
apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / ....
/etc/rc.d/smallharbour start
and let's go !
2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly fee related to the service you want, then either
a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power user
b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated easily.
3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need SmallHarbour :)
Laurent
Davorin Rusevljan
On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a ...
Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething.
We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will start with Seaside though.
Laurent.
2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact@romain-verduci.com>
We actually have www.seasideho...
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there.
Yes, good idea to have a look.
I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box.
Do it directly on top of Glass and you already have a lot of things for free, included that question ;)
I would like all the stack to be open source. Gemstone isn't ? Laurent.
You only need to implement the logistic for the app (kind of seasidehosting).
Laurent.
BTW, cool project and congrats!
mariano
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting!
Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry?
Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome)
1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud or on a real server should be a preference.
Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be appreciated.
We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to learn).
For example: a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images.
b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then
apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / ....
/etc/rc.d/smallharbour start
and let's go !
2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly fee related to the service you want, then either
a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power user
b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated easily.
3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need SmallHarbour :)
Laurent
Davorin Rusevljan
On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a ...
Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething.
We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will start with Seaside though.
Laurent.
2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact@romain-verduci.com>
We actually have www.seasideho...
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-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:46 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont@gmail.com>wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there.
Yes, good idea to have a look.
I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box.
Do it directly on top of Glass and you already have a lot of things for free, included that question ;)
I would like all the stack to be open source. Gemstone isn't ?
No. It is not. It is free with certain conditions, but not Open Source.
Laurent.
You only need to implement the logistic for the app (kind of seasidehosting).
Laurent.
BTW, cool project and congrats!
mariano
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont < laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting!
Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry?
Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome)
1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud or on a real server should be a preference.
Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be appreciated.
We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to learn).
For example: a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images.
b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then
apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / ....
/etc/rc.d/smallharbour start
and let's go !
2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly fee related to the service you want, then either
a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power user
b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated easily.
3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need SmallHarbour :)
Laurent
Davorin Rusevljan
On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < tibabenfortlapalanca@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a ...
Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething.
We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will start with Seaside though.
Laurent.
2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact@romain-verduci.com>
We actually have www.seasideho...
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