IIUC we are planning on making Pharo Launcher the default download. Right now, our installation options are a bit scattered. The Ubuntu package installs Launcher, and the Mac and Windows buttons at http://pharo.org/download download image+VM zip files. Should we change the ppa to install an image+VM? Or should we change the Mac/Windows buttons to download Launcher installers? A possible reservation about the second option is that there was a recent report on this list of failed installation on Windows 8. Was that ever investigated? Once we converge on one process, I will update the other GNU/Linux distro instructions to mirror that. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-Pharo-Launcher-Ready-tp4819384.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 13 Apr 2015, at 19:01, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
IIUC we are planning on making Pharo Launcher the default download.
Yes, but not for Pharo4.
Right now, our installation options are a bit scattered. The Ubuntu package installs Launcher, and the Mac and Windows buttons at http://pharo.org/download download image+VM zip files. Should we change the ppa to install an image+VM? Or should we change the Mac/Windows buttons to download Launcher installers? A possible reservation about the second option is that there was a recent report on this list of failed installation on Windows 8. Was that ever investigated?
Once we converge on one process, I will update the other GNU/Linux distro instructions to mirror that.
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-Pharo-Launcher-Ready-tp4819384.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
Yes, but not for Pharo4.
Then I think for now we should change the ppa to install an image+VM like the rest. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-Pharo-Launcher-Ready-tp4819384p4819390.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
In my opinion, though maintaining a uniformity would be great , but leaving the ppa to install launcher in Ubuntu would be just fine rather than VM + Image. Thanks Jigyasa On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
Yes, but not for Pharo4.
Then I think for now we should change the ppa to install an image+VM like the rest.
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-Pharo-Launcher-Ready-tp4819384p4819390.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Torsten Bergmann wrote
We should keep the PPA like it is with Launcher
Never mind. I just realized that there seems to be a ppa for the vm and another for Launcher. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-Pharo-Launcher-Ready-tp4819384p4819396.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Am 13.04.2015 um 19:58 schrieb Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com>:
Marcus Denker-4 wrote
Yes, but not for Pharo4.
Then I think for now we should change the ppa to install an image+VM like the rest.
Which ppa you are talking about. Please just don't touch the pharo-vm-core package :) Norbert
NorbertHartl wrote
Which ppa you are talking about
Again, I didn't realize there were multiple packages. I thought the ppa /always/ installed the Launcher. Disregard. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-Pharo-Launcher-Ready-tp4819384p4819419.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 4/13/15 10:01 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
IIUC we are planning on making Pharo Launcher the default download. Not sure whether this is the right thread or not...
Keep in mind that the last time I tried to use the Pharo Launcher (a couple of months ago) on ubunutu12.04 the Ubuntu packaged failed to be found and I had to abandon my use of Pharo Launcher since Ubuntu12.04 is still in common use ... my desktop at work, travis-ci (the big problem for me) and elsewhere ... currently the downloads (outside of those that depend upon the Ubuntu package) work just fine on ubuntu12.04 (and of course Pharo runs just fine on ubuntu12.04), but if the "default download" starts using the Pharo Launcher then those of working on ubuntu12.04 will be forced to find alternate solutions to downloading Pharo ... If "default download" is scoped to the be only the newer versions of Pharo, like 4.0 or 5.0, then it would be fair to exclude Ubuntu12.04 from the very convenient download scripts ... otherwise I'd like to know right now so I can take defensive actions...like rewriting all of my download scripts to use a safe mechanism based on ftp:) I'm going to have to touch those scripts anyway, because the vmLatest url just stopped working one day last week, but I'd really not like to have to rewrite my pharo download scripts every 2 months:), so if there are plans to summarily drop download support for Ubuntu12.04 in the near future, then I'd rather know about that before I touch my scripts:) Dale
By "download" ... I am referring to the zero conf downloads ... if zero conf downloads are not going to be impacted (again), then "never mind":) Dale On 4/13/15 1:28 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
On 4/13/15 10:01 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
IIUC we are planning on making Pharo Launcher the default download. Not sure whether this is the right thread or not...
Keep in mind that the last time I tried to use the Pharo Launcher (a couple of months ago) on ubunutu12.04 the Ubuntu packaged failed to be found and I had to abandon my use of Pharo Launcher since Ubuntu12.04 is still in common use ... my desktop at work, travis-ci (the big problem for me) and elsewhere ... currently the downloads (outside of those that depend upon the Ubuntu package) work just fine on ubuntu12.04 (and of course Pharo runs just fine on ubuntu12.04), but if the "default download" starts using the Pharo Launcher then those of working on ubuntu12.04 will be forced to find alternate solutions to downloading Pharo ...
If "default download" is scoped to the be only the newer versions of Pharo, like 4.0 or 5.0, then it would be fair to exclude Ubuntu12.04 from the very convenient download scripts ... otherwise I'd like to know right now so I can take defensive actions...like rewriting all of my download scripts to use a safe mechanism based on ftp:)
I'm going to have to touch those scripts anyway, because the vmLatest url just stopped working one day last week, but I'd really not like to have to rewrite my pharo download scripts every 2 months:), so if there are plans to summarily drop download support for Ubuntu12.04 in the near future, then I'd rather know about that before I touch my scripts:)
Dale
Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs@gemtalksystems.com> writes:
On 4/13/15 10:01 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
IIUC we are planning on making Pharo Launcher the default download. Not sure whether this is the right thread or not...
Keep in mind that the last time I tried to use the Pharo Launcher (a couple of months ago) on ubunutu12.04 the Ubuntu packaged failed to be found and I had to abandon my use of Pharo Launcher since Ubuntu12.04 is still in common use ...
I think Ubuntu 12.04 is supported now. See https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/ubuntu/stable?field.series_filter=prec... -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill
Thanks Damien, I will give it a go when I get a chance ... because it broke about 2 months ago and my mail to this list went unanswered, I've since removed it from my scripts (in an emergency no less, because the scripts were failing) and I have become a bit gunshy about relying on something that drops from support without warning .... Believe me I did not want to learn about `ldd` and the 12.04 pharo dependencies, but I had no choice:( I would like to be able to depend upon the zero conf scripts, because they are very convenient, but I am still hazy on the policy towards older releases and zero conf. It would be very convenient if the scripts worked "forever" for the old releases (pharo3.0 will be old in a year:) they don't need to be kept up to date with respect to the latest vm, but should be frozen at the last stable vm for that platform/release ... if that were true then I would be comfortable leaning heavily on zero conf for the installation/update scripts...if not... Dale On 4/16/15 1:52 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs@gemtalksystems.com> writes:
On 4/13/15 10:01 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
IIUC we are planning on making Pharo Launcher the default download. Not sure whether this is the right thread or not...
Keep in mind that the last time I tried to use the Pharo Launcher (a couple of months ago) on ubunutu12.04 the Ubuntu packaged failed to be found and I had to abandon my use of Pharo Launcher since Ubuntu12.04 is still in common use ... I think Ubuntu 12.04 is supported now. See https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/ubuntu/stable?field.series_filter=prec...
Le 16/4/15 14:14, Dale Henrichs a écrit :
Thanks Damien, I will give it a go when I get a chance ... because it broke about 2 months ago and my mail to this list went unanswered, I've since removed it from my scripts (in an emergency no less, because the scripts were failing) and I have become a bit gunshy about relying on something that drops from support without warning .... Believe me I did not want to learn about `ldd` and the 12.04 pharo dependencies, but I had no choice:(
I would like to be able to depend upon the zero conf scripts, because they are very convenient, but I am still hazy on the policy towards older releases and zero conf.
It would be very convenient if the scripts worked "forever" for the old releases (pharo3.0 will be old in a year:) they don't need to be kept up to date with respect to the latest vm, but should be frozen at the last stable vm for that platform/release ... if that were true then I would be comfortable leaning heavily on zero conf for the installation/update scripts...if not...
Yes I agree with you. now we have reached a stable point where we can avoid to have latest vm creeping in old scripts. If I understood correctly what esteban told me.
Dale
On 4/16/15 1:52 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
Dale Henrichs <dale.henrichs@gemtalksystems.com> writes:
On 4/13/15 10:01 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
IIUC we are planning on making Pharo Launcher the default download. Not sure whether this is the right thread or not...
Keep in mind that the last time I tried to use the Pharo Launcher (a couple of months ago) on ubunutu12.04 the Ubuntu packaged failed to be found and I had to abandon my use of Pharo Launcher since Ubuntu12.04 is still in common use ... I think Ubuntu 12.04 is supported now. See https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/ubuntu/stable?field.series_filter=prec...
On 2015-04-16 10:52, Damien Cassou wrote:
I think Ubuntu 12.04 is supported now. See https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/ubuntu/stable?field.series_filter=prec...
If I recall correctly, dependencies had been broken for a few days and if one installed one of the packages during that time, a purge and reinstall was necessary (and I posted the commands to the list). Best regards, Markus
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