[Pharo-project] Mondrian: present and future
Hi All, Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7. Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with Doru and Stéphane today. Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are: - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way. - having a small core embeddable in your application - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts - having a better help system (à la ProfStef) - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2 - exporting as PDF - anti-aliasing This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool visualization engine. Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0. Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/ Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian Let's render our dream! Cheers, Alexandre NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
Hi All,
Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with Doru and Stéphane today. Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are: - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way. this is a nice idea
- having a small core embeddable in your application - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts - having a better help system (Ã la ProfStef) - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2 - exporting as PDF - anti-aliasing
This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool visualization engine.
Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/ Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
Let's render our dream!
:)
Hi All,
Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with Doru and Stéphane today. Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are: - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way. this is a nice idea
Thanks :)
- having a small core embeddable in your application - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts - having a better help system (Ã la ProfStef) - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2 - exporting as PDF - anti-aliasing
This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool visualization engine.
Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/ Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
Let's render our dream!
:)
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On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>wrote:
Hi All,
Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with Doru and Stéphane today. Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are: - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way. - having a small core embeddable in your application
I would really love to have this. A very small runtime kernel for Mondrian. For example, I would like to add the "UML Diagram" to OB but withoput needing to load all Mondrian in the image. Cheers mariano
HI Alexandre, what is the current status of Mondrian on Squeak? I've always been intrigued by Mondrian, what would be the best approach for getting it going on Squeak? I am mostly interested using Mondrians rendering and input-event handling inside my own widgets, not OB or other windowing tools. How hard would it be to extricate just the Form-drawing and input-capability of the Mondrian core from the OB window widgetry that seems to be included in the package (at least, the last time I looked)? - Chris On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu> wrote:
Hi All,
Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with Doru and Stéphane today. Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are:  - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results  - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way.  - having a small core embeddable in your application  - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts  - having a better help system (à la ProfStef)  - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2  - exporting as PDF  - anti-aliasing
This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool visualization engine.
Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/ Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
Let's render our dream!
Cheers, Alexandre
NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Hi Chris, The core of Mondrian has no relationship with OB. The rendering of Mondrian only depends on Canvas. By default, when you say "view open" a window with a canvas is created and the canvas is passed to Mondrian. Cheers, Doru On 3 Apr 2010, at 19:11, Chris Muller wrote:
HI Alexandre, what is the current status of Mondrian on Squeak? I've always been intrigued by Mondrian, what would be the best approach for getting it going on Squeak?
I am mostly interested using Mondrians rendering and input-event handling inside my own widgets, not OB or other windowing tools. How hard would it be to extricate just the Form-drawing and input-capability of the Mondrian core from the OB window widgetry that seems to be included in the package (at least, the last time I looked)?
- Chris
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu> wrote:
Hi All,
Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with Doru and Stéphane today. Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are: - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way. - having a small core embeddable in your application - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts - having a better help system (à la ProfStef) - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2 - exporting as PDF - anti-aliasing
This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool visualization engine.
Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/ Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
Let's render our dream!
Cheers, Alexandre
NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Hi Chris, I haven't recently tried to install Mondrian on Squeak. If it does not work, no much should be missing I believe. There is nothing in Pharo which is a crucial requirement. If you wish to see Mondrian on Squeak, then I can help to make it work.
I am mostly interested using Mondrians rendering and input-event handling inside my own widgets, not OB or other windowing tools. How hard would it be to extricate just the Form-drawing and input-capability of the Mondrian core from the OB window widgetry that seems to be included in the package (at least, the last time I looked)?
As Doru said, there is no relationship between Mondrian and OB. Mondrian was dependend on OB some times ago principally for the text input lower pane. But not anymore. If you have any question on how to use Mondrian, please ask. Cheers, Alexandre
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu> wrote:
Hi All,
Just to give some news about Mondrian. Together with colleagues from Bern, Lille and Santiago, I have been working on this visualization engine for quite some times. Although it contains some important bugs (e.g., popupView) it is fairly stable and usable. The current version is 2.0-beta.7.
Mondrian is slowly maturing. A short summary of the discussion I had with Doru and Stéphane today. Some of the features I would like to see in for Version 3.0 are: - scalable spring layout (also known as force based layout): this is a very simple and nice layout that produces amazing results - add layers: embedding a rendering or a part of it in a layer. Layers could then be iteratively activated and desactivared. The idea is to enable the construction of scripts in a very iterative and incremental way. - having a small core embeddable in your application - making Mondrian load graphiz scripts - having a better help system (à la ProfStef) - dedicated chapter for Pharo By Example Volume 2 - exporting as PDF - anti-aliasing
This probably will not happen today or tomorrow, but I just feel necessary to share this roadmap with you. Some other features are wanted. Using Rome is one. Open GL is another. There are plenty of rooms for a very cool visualization engine.
Probably during the holiday period I will consolidate the current version by fixing remaining bugs and produce 2.0.
Bug tracker: http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/ Web page: http://www.moosetechnology.org/tools/mondrian
Let's render our dream!
Cheers, Alexandre
NB: sorry for this cross mailing list post. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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Tudor Girba