[OT] Where should menues go ...
2014-02-22 20:18 GMT+00:00 Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de>:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/locally-integrated-menus-ubuntu-14-04
I have a better question... should desktop interfaces resemble tactile interfaces? :) Cheers, Sergi
Torsten Bergmann wrote
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/locally-integrated-menus-ubuntu-14-04
Well, are not Smalltalks pop-up menus (i.e. the world menu and all the other context menus) solving the problem in the most beautiful way possible? I was shocked when i recently read somewhere on this list that people are thinking about introducing menu bars in order to make everything look more like everything else looks. The difference of Pharo (and it's UI!) was what lured me into it, not what constituted a barrier :) And while i would also make a case for difference only for it's own sake, i think there are very good reasons for the pop-up menus. m. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/OT-Where-should-menues-go-tp4745736p4745799.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On 23 Feb 2014, at 11:44, MartinW <wm@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The difference of Pharo (and it's UI!) was what lured me into it, not what constituted a barrier :) And while i would also make a case for difference only for it's own sake, i think there are very good reasons for the pop-up menus.
They are very good reasons for popup menus. The work menu is not one of them Popup menus should (mainly) be used to propose contextual options. Now take a random menu in Pharo, and look for the items that applies only in the current context. Thatâs also the reason why the menu are far too long. Ben
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/08/fitts-law-and-infinite-width.html On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Benjamin < Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 11:44, MartinW <wm@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The difference of Pharo (and it's UI!) was what lured me into it, not what constituted a barrier :) And while i would also make a case for difference only for it's own sake, i think there are very good reasons for the pop-up menus.
They are very good reasons for popup menus.
The work menu is not one of them
Popup menus should (mainly) be used to propose contextual options. Now take a random menu in Pharo, and look for the items that applies only in the current context.
That's also the reason why the menu are far too long.
Ben
-- Germán Leiva LeivaGerman@gmail.com
Excellent. Here is a visual way to perceive how Fittâs Law works: http://www.particletree.com/features/visualizing-fittss-law/ On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Germán Leiva <leivagerman@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/08/fitts-law-and-infinite-width.html
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Benjamin <Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote: On 23 Feb 2014, at 11:44, MartinW <wm@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The difference of Pharo (and it's UI!) was what lured me into it, not what constituted a barrier :) And while i would also make a case for difference only for it's own sake, i think there are very good reasons for the pop-up menus.
They are very good reasons for popup menus.
The work menu is not one of them
Popup menus should (mainly) be used to propose contextual options. Now take a random menu in Pharo, and look for the items that applies only in the current context.
Thatâs also the reason why the menu are far too long.
Ben
-- Germán Leiva LeivaGerman@gmail.com
Le 23/02/2014 11:44, MartinW a écrit :
Torsten Bergmann wrote
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/locally-integrated-menus-ubuntu-14-04
Well, are not Smalltalks pop-up menus (i.e. the world menu and all the other context menus) solving the problem in the most beautiful way possible?
No, they're not.
I was shocked when i recently read somewhere on this list that people are thinking about introducing menu bars in order to make everything look more like everything else looks.
One HCI principle: discoverability. How to understand it? List all the commands in smart suggestions by looking at the popup menus.
The difference of Pharo (and it's UI!) was what lured me into it, not what constituted a barrier :) And while i would also make a case for difference only for it's own sake, i think there are very good reasons for the pop-up menus.
You're perfectly right :). Its just wiser to be aware of popup menus limitations. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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