[Pharo-project] how do I turn off "smart" quotes in Pharo Seaside one-click image
In Squeak, the preference pane includes a "smart quotes" setting (defaulting on, so I turn it off immediately). I don't see one for Pharo. It appears to be stuck on. I need to turn this feature off, or my typing speed drastically reduces, and my annoyance level is greatly increased. It's not under Editing (Smart Updating isn't it). Where's the preference? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
World -> System -> Settings -> Code browsing -> eCompletion -> Smart Characters Alternatively: ECPreferences smartCharacters: false On 19 July 2010 03:36, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
In Squeak, the preference pane includes a "smart quotes" setting (defaulting on, so I turn it off immediately).
I don't see one for Pharo. Â It appears to be stuck on.
I need to turn this feature off, or my typing speed drastically reduces, and my annoyance level is greatly increased.
It's not under Editing (Smart Updating isn't it).
Where's the preference?
-- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
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"Lukas" == Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com> writes:
Lukas> World -> System -> Settings -> Code browsing -> eCompletion -> Lukas> Smart Characters No such thing in the Seaside One-click image. Just an abbreviated "settings" browser that doesn't include smart characters. Lukas> Alternatively: Lukas> ECPreferences smartCharacters: false I found "PreferencesBrowser open" (doit), which opens the real preferences browser. It's unfortunate that I had to struggle with this. Or maybe fortunate, so that whomever is building this crippled image learns that sometimes you can't predict all preferences, so maybe you ought to leave them all selectable. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
The new one-click image is based on the Pharo-Dev images. Various people seem to have reported issues with these images, please create bug reports (in addition to reporting them here). You can still download the images from my build server if you want. They are built on Pharo-Core 1.1, they are configured to my personal likings and I use them daily. The setting in question is definitely there. Previous one-click images were based on these images. http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Seaside%203.0/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifac... Lukas On 19 July 2010 08:08, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
"Lukas" == Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com> writes:
Lukas> Â Â World -> System -> Settings -> Code browsing -> eCompletion -> Lukas> Smart Characters
No such thing in the Seaside One-click image. Â Just an abbreviated "settings" browser that doesn't include smart characters.
Lukas> Alternatively:
Lukas> Â Â ECPreferences smartCharacters: false
I found "PreferencesBrowser open" (doit), which opens the real preferences browser.
It's unfortunate that I had to struggle with this. Â Or maybe fortunate, so that whomever is building this crippled image learns that sometimes you can't predict all preferences, so maybe you ought to leave them all selectable.
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Can you let us know which versions? image? you are talking about. May be the preference was not created. If this is the case create a bug entry report. Stef On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
In Squeak, the preference pane includes a "smart quotes" setting (defaulting on, so I turn it off immediately).
I don't see one for Pharo. It appears to be stuck on.
I need to turn this feature off, or my typing speed drastically reduces, and my annoyance level is greatly increased.
It's not under Editing (Smart Updating isn't it).
Where's the preference?
-- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
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Once I wrote this: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocompletion... On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Can you let us know which versions? image? you are talking about. May be the preference was not created. If this is the case create a bug entry report.
Stef
On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
In Squeak, the preference pane includes a "smart quotes" setting (defaulting on, so I turn it off immediately).
I don't see one for Pharo. It appears to be stuck on.
I need to turn this feature off, or my typing speed drastically reduces, and my annoyance level is greatly increased.
It's not under Editing (Smart Updating isn't it).
Where's the preference?
-- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777
0095
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We should create a setting for it. I opened a ticket Stef On Jul 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Once I wrote this: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocompletion...
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Can you let us know which versions? image? you are talking about. May be the preference was not created. If this is the case create a bug entry report.
Stef
On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
In Squeak, the preference pane includes a "smart quotes" setting (defaulting on, so I turn it off immediately).
I don't see one for Pharo. It appears to be stuck on.
I need to turn this feature off, or my typing speed drastically reduces, and my annoyance level is greatly increased.
It's not under Editing (Smart Updating isn't it).
Where's the preference?
-- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
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On 19 July 2010 14:36, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
We should create a setting for it. I opened a ticket
But there is a setting. There always was a setting. Lukas
Stef On Jul 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Once I wrote this: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocompletion...
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Can you let us know which versions? image? you are talking about. May be the preference was not created. If this is the case create a bug entry report.
Stef
On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
In Squeak, the preference pane includes a "smart quotes" setting (defaulting on, so I turn it off immediately).
I don't see one for Pharo. Â It appears to be stuck on.
I need to turn this feature off, or my typing speed drastically reduces, and my annoyance level is greatly increased.
It's not under Editing (Smart Updating isn't it).
Where's the preference?
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"Lukas" == Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com> writes:
Lukas> On 19 July 2010 14:36, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
We should create a setting for it. I opened a ticket
Lukas> But there is a setting. There always was a setting. And you can't get to it from "Settings", which is a crippled version of the real "Preference" pane. Seems to be only the settings that the repackager thought was important. Can we please remind me how that image gets created? I've lost track of the players. WHO MAKES THE SEASIDE ONE CLICK? And what is its lineage, and why is the real preference-browser menu item removed? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
Stef, I will admit that eCompletion is the first thing I disable in any new image, but if the point is that it is useful if one selects and then types, could it simply apply the smart characters only when there is a slection as the character is typed? In that case, typing [ would do just that, typing [ when there is a selection would wrap the selection in []. Just a thought. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:37 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] how do I turn off "smart" quotes in Pharo Seaside one-click image We should create a setting for it. I opened a ticket Stef On Jul 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Once I wrote this: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocomp letion/
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Can you let us know which versions? image? you are talking about. May be the preference was not created. If this is the case create a bug entry report.
Stef
On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:36 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
In Squeak, the preference pane includes a "smart quotes" setting (defaulting on, so I turn it off immediately).
I don't see one for Pharo. It appears to be stuck on.
I need to turn this feature off, or my typing speed drastically reduces, and my annoyance level is greatly increased.
It's not under Editing (Smart Updating isn't it).
Where's the preference?
-- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
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On 07/19/2010 07:44 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
I will admit that eCompletion is the first thing I disable in any new image,
Me too (well, the smartCharacters anyway).
but if the point is that it is useful if one selects and then types, could it simply apply the smart characters only when there is a slection as the character is typed? In that case, typing [ would do just that, typing [ when there is a selection would wrap the selection in []. Just a thought.
I like this idea -- smartCharacters might be useful if it only took effect with a non-null selection. As it is, trying to type 'foo' is just too annoying to leave it on. Regards, -Martin
but if the point is that it is useful if one selects and then types, could
it simply apply the smart characters only when there is a slection as the character is typed? In that case, typing [ would do just that, typing [ when there is a selection would wrap the selection in []. Just a thought.
I like this idea -- smartCharacters might be useful if it only took effect with a non-null selection. As it is, trying to type 'foo' is just too annoying to leave it on.
+1 It's also a frustration for those new to Smalltalk as the editor doesn't behave in the way they're used to from their current programming editors. We noticed this when we ran the introduction to Smalltalk at the recent CampSmalltalk London. However having the "Smart Character" off when you type, but on for a selection so they magically wrap around selected text would in my view, be a perfect compromise.
2010/7/31 Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com>:
but if the point is that it is useful if one selects and then types, could it simply apply the smart characters only when there is a slection as the character is typed? Â In that case, typing [ would do just that, typing [ when there is a selection would wrap the selection in []. Â Just a thought.
I like this idea -- smartCharacters might be useful if it only took effect with a non-null selection. As it is, trying to type 'foo' is just too annoying to leave it on.
+1 It's also a frustration for those new to Smalltalk as the editor doesn't behave in the way they're used to from their current programming editors. We noticed this when we ran the introduction to Smalltalk at the recent CampSmalltalk London. However having the "Smart Character" off when you type, but on for a selection so they magically wrap around selected text would in my view, be a perfect compromise.
I don't know if we talk about the same thing, but smart characters behave the same way in my Pharo images as they do in Eclipse and in TextMate. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch
I don't know if we talk about the same thing, but smart characters behave the same way in my Pharo images as they do in Eclipse and in TextMate.
My apologies - I've just downloaded the latest Eclipse and you are correct the smart-characters work in a similar manor. However one important usability difference is that when entering a string, my brain won't stop my fingers from closing the quote - even though my eyes see "Smart Characters" have automatically inserted the closing quote. On Eclipse the editor infers I'm typing the closing quote/bracket etc and skips over the already inserted "Smart Character", in Pharo it inserts another set of quotes giving me three quotes at the end of my string and leaving the insertion point between the first the second quote. I think this issue was shared by our CampSmalltalk beginners. <aside> I've noticed that the builds I download from http://hudson.lukas-renggli.chhave a different autocomplete to the ones I download from http://pharo-project.org. The autocomplete on the builds from Lukas seem a lot faster - I find scrolling down in an autocomplete in the standard pharo build often unbearable slow. Another difference is the added useful feature of being able to view method detail from the autocomplete with right arrow. Is there a way to load the Lukas build autocomplete on-top of a standard Pharo image? Why the difference? </aside> Nick
I don't know if we talk about the same thing, but smart characters behave the same way in my Pharo images as they do in Eclipse and in TextMate.
My apologies - I've just downloaded the latest Eclipse and you are correct the smart-characters work in a similar manor. However one important usability difference is that when entering a string, my brain won't stop my fingers from closing the quote - even though my eyes see "Smart Characters" have automatically inserted the closing quote. On Eclipse the editor infers I'm typing the closing quote/bracket etc and skips over the already inserted "Smart Character", in Pharo it inserts another set of quotes giving me three quotes at the end of my string and leaving the insertion point between the first the second quote. Â I think this issue was shared by our CampSmalltalk beginners.
That's fairly easy to adapt, please try the following version from <http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/unsorted>: Name: ECompletion-lr.126 Author: lr Time: 31 July 2010, 4:10:04 pm UUID: 777d55d6-95e9-4630-a5ac-b35347286646 Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.125 - try to be smarter with smart characters
<aside> I've noticed that the builds I download from http://hudson.lukas-renggli.ch have a different autocomplete to the ones I download from http://pharo-project.org. The autocomplete on the builds from Lukas seem a lot faster - I find scrolling down in an autocomplete in the standard pharo build often unbearable slow. Another difference is the added useful feature of being able to view method detail from the autocomplete with right arrow. Is there a way to load the Lukas build autocomplete on-top of a standard Pharo image? Why the difference?  </aside>
oCompletion is an "extended" version of eCompletion that I use in my images. You and I are not the only ones that prefer eCompletion, I know of quite a few other people that think so too. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch
Hi Lukas,
My apologies - I've just downloaded the latest Eclipse and you are correct
the smart-characters work in a similar manor. However one important usability difference is that when entering a string, my brain won't stop my fingers from closing the quote - even though my eyes see "Smart Characters" have automatically inserted the closing quote. On Eclipse the editor infers I'm typing the closing quote/bracket etc and skips over the already inserted "Smart Character", in Pharo it inserts another set of quotes giving me three quotes at the end of my string and leaving the insertion point between the first the second quote. I think this issue was shared by our CampSmalltalk beginners.
That's fairly easy to adapt, please try the following version from <http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/unsorted>:
Name: ECompletion-lr.126 Author: lr Time: 31 July 2010, 4:10:04 pm UUID: 777d55d6-95e9-4630-a5ac-b35347286646 Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.125
- try to be smarter with smart characters
Thanks for the that - it's getting there. A couple of issues: * The change appears to have introduced odd delete behaviour. When I delete a character within smart quotes, a character *and* the ending smart quote is deleted - different behaviour to prior to your change, * If I enter: (' in Eclipse when I type: ') it skips over both the closing ' and the closing ). Apologies for my pedantry. Nick
2010/7/31 Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com>:
Hi Lukas,
My apologies - I've just downloaded the latest Eclipse and you are correct the smart-characters work in a similar manor. However one important usability difference is that when entering a string, my brain won't stop my fingers from closing the quote - even though my eyes see "Smart Characters" have automatically inserted the closing quote. On Eclipse the editor infers I'm typing the closing quote/bracket etc and skips over the already inserted "Smart Character", in Pharo it inserts another set of quotes giving me three quotes at the end of my string and leaving the insertion point between the first the second quote. Â I think this issue was shared by our CampSmalltalk beginners.
That's fairly easy to adapt, please try the following version from <http://source.lukas-renggli.ch/unsorted>:
 Name: ECompletion-lr.126  Author: lr  Time: 31 July 2010, 4:10:04 pm  UUID: 777d55d6-95e9-4630-a5ac-b35347286646  Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.125
 - try to be smarter with smart characters
Thanks for the that - it's getting there. A couple of issues: * The change appears to have introduced odd delete behaviour. When I delete a character within smart quotes, a character *and* the ending smart quote is deleted - different behaviour to prior to your change, * If I enter: Â (' Â in Eclipse when I type: Â ') it skips over both the closing ' and the closing ). Apologies for my pedantry.
Well, I am sorry I said it is fairly easy to adapt. The implementation was really bogus because it globally kept state. I rewrote the code from scratch and committed it here: Name: ECompletion-lr.127 Author: lr Time: 31 July 2010, 7:21:25 pm UUID: 42e3e807-2478-4dda-b207-acf162648cfe Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.126 - rewrote the complete smart character logic (very ugly) Now this is really ugly and long code and there are literally dozens of cases to handle. Let me know if it works better for you? I kind of like it. The behavior for smart characters and the backspace is now entirely different if there is a selection or if you are just typing. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch
Well, I am sorry I said it is fairly easy to adapt. The implementation was really bogus because it globally kept state. I rewrote the code from scratch and committed it here:
Name: ECompletion-lr.127 Author: lr Time: 31 July 2010, 7:21:25 pm UUID: 42e3e807-2478-4dda-b207-acf162648cfe Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.126
- rewrote the complete smart character logic (very ugly)
Now this is really ugly and long code and there are literally dozens of cases to handle. Let me know if it works better for you? I kind of like it. The behavior for smart characters and the backspace is now entirely different if there is a selection or if you are just typing
sound exciting....
Name: ECompletion-lr.127 Author: lr Time: 31 July 2010, 7:21:25 pm UUID: 42e3e807-2478-4dda-b207-acf162648cfe Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.126
- rewrote the complete smart character logic (very ugly)
Now this is really ugly and long code and there are literally dozens of cases to handle. Let me know if it works better for you? I kind of like it. The behavior for smart characters and the backspace is now entirely different if there is a selection or if you are just typing
sound exciting....
Hi Lukas, I noticed you've just added ECompletion-lr.128. I've briefly tried it. Perhaps I'm missing something, as the functionality seem to be the same as ECompletion-lr.125, so if you type an extra ' at the end of a string, it inserts another two. Is there something else I need to update? Nick
Please try again ECompletion-lr.128. I further simplified the code. Now it is exactly the behavior of TextMate. And almost the same as Eclipse. Lukas 2010/7/31 Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com>:
 Name: ECompletion-lr.127  Author: lr  Time: 31 July 2010, 7:21:25 pm  UUID: 42e3e807-2478-4dda-b207-acf162648cfe  Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.126
 - rewrote the complete smart character logic (very ugly)
Now this is really ugly and long code and there are literally dozens of cases to handle. Let me know if it works better for you? I kind of like it. The behavior for smart characters and the backspace is now entirely different if there is a selection or if you are just typing
sound exciting....
Hi Lukas, I noticed you've just added  ECompletion-lr.128. I've briefly tried it. Perhaps I'm missing something, as the functionality seem to be the same as ECompletion-lr.125, so if you type an extra ' at the end of a string, it inserts another two. Is there something else I need to update? Nick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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Ehh ECompletion-lr.129. On 31 July 2010 22:11, Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com> wrote:
Please try again ECompletion-lr.128. I further simplified the code. Now it is exactly the behavior of TextMate. And almost the same as Eclipse.
Lukas
2010/7/31 Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com>:
 Name: ECompletion-lr.127  Author: lr  Time: 31 July 2010, 7:21:25 pm  UUID: 42e3e807-2478-4dda-b207-acf162648cfe  Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.126
 - rewrote the complete smart character logic (very ugly)
Now this is really ugly and long code and there are literally dozens of cases to handle. Let me know if it works better for you? I kind of like it. The behavior for smart characters and the backspace is now entirely different if there is a selection or if you are just typing
sound exciting....
Hi Lukas, I noticed you've just added  ECompletion-lr.128. I've briefly tried it. Perhaps I'm missing something, as the functionality seem to be the same as ECompletion-lr.125, so if you type an extra ' at the end of a string, it inserts another two. Is there something else I need to update? Nick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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The latest also highlights the matching character. On 31 July 2010 22:12, Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com> wrote:
Ehh ECompletion-lr.129.
On 31 July 2010 22:11, Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com> wrote:
Please try again ECompletion-lr.128. I further simplified the code. Now it is exactly the behavior of TextMate. And almost the same as Eclipse.
Lukas
2010/7/31 Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com>:
 Name: ECompletion-lr.127  Author: lr  Time: 31 July 2010, 7:21:25 pm  UUID: 42e3e807-2478-4dda-b207-acf162648cfe  Ancestors: ECompletion-lr.126
 - rewrote the complete smart character logic (very ugly)
Now this is really ugly and long code and there are literally dozens of cases to handle. Let me know if it works better for you? I kind of like it. The behavior for smart characters and the backspace is now entirely different if there is a selection or if you are just typing
sound exciting....
Hi Lukas, I noticed you've just added  ECompletion-lr.128. I've briefly tried it. Perhaps I'm missing something, as the functionality seem to be the same as ECompletion-lr.125, so if you type an extra ' at the end of a string, it inserts another two. Is there something else I need to update? Nick _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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Hi Lukas, I've installed ECompletion-lr.130. It works brilliantly if I type: (' correctly skipping over ') at the end. However if I type a single ' it doesn't add a closing ' - is this what you're seeing? Cheers Nick
I've installed ECompletion-lr.130. It works brilliantly if I type: (' Â correctly skipping over ') at the end. However if I type a single ' it doesn't add a closing ' - is this what you're seeing?
Try ECompletion-lr.131, this fixes another set of bugs including the one you reported. The complexity of the code is quite horrible. Basically each of the following cases has to be handled separately: - selection? yes/no - cursor at begin? yes/no - cursor at end? yes/no - open and close smart character the same? yes/no - close character and next character in text the same? yes/no Let me know if you find any more bugs. Lukas
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Try ECompletion-lr.131, this fixes another set of bugs including the one you reported.
That seems to have nailed it. I'll use it for real today and see if I spot anything else, but so far so good. Thanks again Nick
2010/8/1 Nick Ager <nick.ager@gmail.com>:
Try ECompletion-lr.131, this fixes another set of bugs including the one you reported.
That seems to have nailed it. I'll use it for real today and see if I spot anything else, but so far so good. Thanks again
Where can I find those changes - my Monticello browser pointing at squeaksource can only see up to ECompletion-lr.122
Where can I find those changes - my Monticello browser pointing at squeaksource can only see up to ECompletion-lr.122
"Stéphane" == Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> writes:
Stéphane> Can you let us know which versions? image? you are talking about. Stéphane> May be the preference was not created. It's the image at http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0rc.app.zip which is linked from www.seaside.st. Clearly, this is a derived bundle, based on Pharo, but I don't recall who is responsible for it. I'm posting this for a bit wider awareness though. First, I hate smart quotes, and am not sure why they're enabled by default so often. Second, please don't *hide* the preference to get rid of them. That's even sillier. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
Randall apparently you are wrong :) see the mail of lukas. Stef
Stéphane> Can you let us know which versions? image? you are talking about. Stéphane> May be the preference was not created.
It's the image at http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0rc.app.zip which is linked from www.seaside.st.
Clearly, this is a derived bundle, based on Pharo, but I don't recall who is responsible for it.
I'm posting this for a bit wider awareness though. First, I hate smart quotes, and am not sure why they're enabled by default so often.
Second, please don't *hide* the preference to get rid of them. That's even sillier.
"Stéphane" == Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> writes:
Stéphane> apparently you are wrong :) Stéphane> see the mail of lukas. What part of it is wrong? If you download the image I just linked, and pull up "settings" (which is the only preferency thing you can get from the menus) it does *not* have any control for smart quotes. It's a crippled version. If you open a workspace, and then launch directly: PreferenceBrower open you *can* get to a preference browser that can control smart quotes. So, what part of what I just said is wrong? (a) that image has smart quotes enabled by default (b) that image has no menu access to disabling smart quotes (c) that image is based on Pharo Those are all *fact*. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion
On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
"Stéphane" == Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> writes:
Stéphane> apparently you are wrong :) Stéphane> see the mail of lukas.
What part of it is wrong?
If you download the image I just linked, and pull up "settings" (which is the only preferency thing you can get from the menus) it does *not* have any control for smart quotes.
Ok I checked and I could not find it
It's a crippled version.
I do not know what you mean
If you open a workspace, and then launch directly:
PreferenceBrower open
you *can* get to a preference browser that can control smart quotes.
We removed it in 1.2 :)
So, what part of what I just said is wrong?
(a) that image has smart quotes enabled by default (b) that image has no menu access to disabling smart quotes
(b) but you were not wrong and we will create a setting for it.
(c) that image is based on Pharo
Those are all *fact*.
participants (8)
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Lukas Renggli -
Mariano Martinez Peck -
Martin McClure -
merlyn＠stonehenge.com -
Nick Ager -
Piers Cawley -
Schwab,Wilhelm K -
Stéphane Ducasse