I agree. Though we absolutely should make the best framework possible, and continue to improve it, the genius of the Smalltalk and Seaside community really lies with what we /do/ with it, the kind of projects we can code. (And the world does not need another Facebook :) I can't believe those guys got that much funding for a replacement. It reminds me of Groupon, which is valuated in more than a billion dollars, has first mover advantage, but there is now more than 12 /funded/ startups that are Groupon clones, that are trying to oust it (and I don't think will be successful)). On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote:

In all of that is a comment that there are already multiple social networking systems available.  It brings up a few questions, including whether another one is really needed?  It sounds like a few college kids managed to raise some real money to fund something (aka "buy the beer") that one or two of their peers might do for a senior design project.

Let's say I read it wrong and there is a big void waiting to be filled.  It would be interesting to see how Seaside would stack up against the alternatives.  Interestingly, I was reading on that topic earlier today.

In my more cynical moments, I think the way for Smalltalkers to succeed is to use it to do things under the radar, leaving the competition wondering what hit them.  I would not recommend spending time to write a framework or even a turn-key system in the hopes that others will use it.  If there is a niche that remains to be filled and you want to be the service provider and Seaside is up to the load that you would hope would result from getting it right, then go for it.

Bill

________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Torsten Bergmann [astares@gmx.de] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:54 PM To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: [Pharo-project] thinking about a community model of funding

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I would like to see a model like that around the pharo virtual machine >emerging       http://phk.freebsd.dk/VML/

Do you know this new funding platform:

         http://www.kickstarter.com

There is also an interesting story with that: some guys announced there they wanted to write a "Facebook" replacement called "diaspora" that is open and better in privacy things:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/196017994/diaspora-the-personally-contro...

Interesting enough they got LOTs of money @kickstarter and then they started coding - in Ruby on Rails. Looks like they got stuck due to development problems after they released the source code:

http://mashable.com/2010/09/16/diaspora-source/

Maybe they should have used Seaside ...

Should we spend some spare time to write a Facebook II using Pharo and Seaside 3.0? Then we would have a killer app and more people interested ;)

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