Hi, So well... the first Pharo Hangout Session has passed and in my opinion it was not terribly bad :) There were present people who usually does not show up in the sprints for obvious reasons (they live far from Lille, like in Argentina). And we more or less worked in fixing bugs and talked about Pharo development, etc. No one there worked like that before and we need to acquire more experience to do the kind of things that makes our team work better: we need to learn how to explain our stuff, how to share our screen and do things, etc. But I think as a first experience it was very positive. At least, we could hang (out ;)) and share working context with people that we usually don't. And I think all presents are a bit more aware of Pharo process now (not a lot more aware, but a bit :) So... we will repeat this experience once a month, because I think they are very positive and we will improve them with practice. But I also would like to add other ideas that came to my mind while sprinting. For example, I think we succeed in create the feeling of "all of us are working together" that a sprint has, but we failed in pair program. So I would like to try remote-pair program too. How can we manage it? well, instead an open sprint, we declare "I want to work on this issue", and we invite people to join... and we join two or three with same interest into a shared screen and with real participation. What do you think? cheers, Esteban
On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
So well... the first Pharo Hangout Session has passed and in my opinion it was not terribly bad :) There were present people who usually does not show up in the sprints for obvious reasons (they live far from Lille, like in Argentina). And we more or less worked in fixing bugs and talked about Pharo development, etc.
No one there worked like that before and we need to acquire more experience to do the kind of things that makes our team work better: we need to learn how to explain our stuff, how to share our screen and do things, etc.
But I think as a first experience it was very positive. At least, we could hang (out ;)) and share working context with people that we usually don't. And I think all presents are a bit more aware of Pharo process now (not a lot more aware, but a bit :)
So... we will repeat this experience once a month, because I think they are very positive and we will improve them with practice. But I also would like to add other ideas that came to my mind while sprinting.
For example, I think we succeed in create the feeling of "all of us are working together" that a sprint has, but we failed in pair program. So I would like to try remote-pair program too. How can we manage it? well, instead an open sprint, we declare "I want to work on this issue", and we invite people to join... and we join two or three with same interest into a shared screen and with real participation.
What do you think?
Yes it would be good. And we should use larger fonts. I do not get why I could not hear people talking but this is another story :) stef
cheers, Esteban
Esteban, I joined to the hangout session and I think it was ok. I was at my work so I could just heard the conversation, like a radio. Anyway, I watched the handout screen at times and I was interesting. I think that could be very interesting to do pair programming on some issues. So, go ahead with it. Maybe, It'll be interesting to let pleople connect to the session, just to see too. Regards, Facu ps.: I hope to see you next week in Argentine. The other Esteban (EAM) said to me that you're coming here next week. On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
So well... the first Pharo Hangout Session has passed and in my opinion it was not terribly bad :) There were present people who usually does not show up in the sprints for obvious reasons (they live far from Lille, like in Argentina). And we more or less worked in fixing bugs and talked about Pharo development, etc.
No one there worked like that before and we need to acquire more experience to do the kind of things that makes our team work better: we need to learn how to explain our stuff, how to share our screen and do things, etc.
But I think as a first experience it was very positive. At least, we could hang (out ;)) and share working context with people that we usually don't. And I think all presents are a bit more aware of Pharo process now (not a lot more aware, but a bit :)
So... we will repeat this experience once a month, because I think they are very positive and we will improve them with practice. But I also would like to add other ideas that came to my mind while sprinting.
For example, I think we succeed in create the feeling of "all of us are working together" that a sprint has, but we failed in pair program. So I would like to try remote-pair program too. How can we manage it? well, instead an open sprint, we declare "I want to work on this issue", and we invite people to join... and we join two or three with same interest into a shared screen and with real participation.
What do you think?
cheers, Esteban
On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Facundo Vozzi <facundov79@gmail.com> wrote:
Esteban, I joined to the hangout session and I think it was ok. I was at my work so I could just heard the conversation, like a radio. Anyway, I watched the handout screen at times and I was interesting.
I think that could be very interesting to do pair programming on some issues. So, go ahead with it. Maybe, It'll be interesting to let pleople connect to the session, just to see too.
Regards, Facu
ps.: I hope to see you next week in Argentine. The other Esteban (EAM) said to me that you're coming here next week. yes he is :)
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
So well... the first Pharo Hangout Session has passed and in my opinion it was not terribly bad :) There were present people who usually does not show up in the sprints for obvious reasons (they live far from Lille, like in Argentina). And we more or less worked in fixing bugs and talked about Pharo development, etc.
No one there worked like that before and we need to acquire more experience to do the kind of things that makes our team work better: we need to learn how to explain our stuff, how to share our screen and do things, etc.
But I think as a first experience it was very positive. At least, we could hang (out ;)) and share working context with people that we usually don't. And I think all presents are a bit more aware of Pharo process now (not a lot more aware, but a bit :)
So... we will repeat this experience once a month, because I think they are very positive and we will improve them with practice. But I also would like to add other ideas that came to my mind while sprinting.
For example, I think we succeed in create the feeling of "all of us are working together" that a sprint has, but we failed in pair program. So I would like to try remote-pair program too. How can we manage it? well, instead an open sprint, we declare "I want to work on this issue", and we invite people to join... and we join two or three with same interest into a shared screen and with real participation.
What do you think?
cheers, Esteban
Definitely a success story as a first. The one thing missing as I pointed out is meeting notes, so people who connect have an idea where you are and what you doing, so they don't have to ask you each time someone joins. As I found it this is possible through the hangout apps -> Google Drive -> hangout notes. I think it will be better if you follow a schedule , or at least pick a theme (or multiple) for each meeting. It will give it a purpose and make it look less random. I really loved the share screen experience, seeing you code has been a valuable lesson and I would love to watch more coding sessions and eventually participating myself when I feel more confident with Pharo. I also really liked the fact that the meeting lasted so long. The idea of video recording those sessions for later watching is also very appealing to me. Well done :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-hangout-analysis-tp4712008p4712043.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
I was too immerse in my own stuff, next time I'll try to collaborate a bit more :). In any case, it was fun for me, and much more friendly than the irc channel :P. When's the next one? On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:55 PM, kilon <thekilon@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Definitely a success story as a first. The one thing missing as I pointed out is meeting notes, so people who connect have an idea where you are and what you doing, so they don't have to ask you each time someone joins. As I found it this is possible through the hangout apps -> Google Drive -> hangout notes.
I think it will be better if you follow a schedule , or at least pick a theme (or multiple) for each meeting. It will give it a purpose and make it look less random.
I really loved the share screen experience, seeing you code has been a valuable lesson and I would love to watch more coding sessions and eventually participating myself when I feel more confident with Pharo. I also really liked the fact that the meeting lasted so long.
The idea of video recording those sessions for later watching is also very appealing to me.
Well done :)
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-hangout-analysis-tp4712008p4712043.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
The hangout took place during my regular working hours, so for those like me that must work according to a schedule it wasn't easy to do much more than "radio listening" and some chat. Anyhow, I'm happy with the outcome. I think more hangouts should be done, one per month is few. Maybe two would be a good number, each scheduled to make it possible for those living past Greenwich, and those living a few hours behind it like us. It will require some time to get speed and used to the tools, but I think it will be worth the effort. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/10/2 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
Hi,
So well... the first Pharo Hangout Session has passed and in my opinion it was not terribly bad :) There were present people who usually does not show up in the sprints for obvious reasons (they live far from Lille, like in Argentina). And we more or less worked in fixing bugs and talked about Pharo development, etc.
No one there worked like that before and we need to acquire more experience to do the kind of things that makes our team work better: we need to learn how to explain our stuff, how to share our screen and do things, etc.
But I think as a first experience it was very positive. At least, we could hang (out ;)) and share working context with people that we usually don't. And I think all presents are a bit more aware of Pharo process now (not a lot more aware, but a bit :)
So... we will repeat this experience once a month, because I think they are very positive and we will improve them with practice. But I also would like to add other ideas that came to my mind while sprinting.
For example, I think we succeed in create the feeling of "all of us are working together" that a sprint has, but we failed in pair program. So I would like to try remote-pair program too. How can we manage it? well, instead an open sprint, we declare "I want to work on this issue", and we invite people to join... and we join two or three with same interest into a shared screen and with real participation.
What do you think?
cheers, Esteban
participants (6)
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Esteban A. Maringolo -
Esteban Lorenzano -
Facundo Vozzi -
Guillermo Polito -
kilon -
Stéphane Ducasse