Re: [Pharo-project] Notifiers
Sounds good. And in that case (OB Tools at the end of the list), I urge serious attention to having a notifier. Learning from history, and all that. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
adi@netstyle.ch 12/21/08 5:31 PM >>> Here is an answer for "what is Pharo?"
There will be two images: "Pharo-Core": the image in which the development of Pharo takes place "Pharo": the image to develop your application with (= "Pharo-Core" + IDE tools [1]) "Pharo" is the image that will be officially shipped (packaged as a one-click image). "Pharo-Core" on the other hand will be important for deployment as it has a low memory footprint. Cheers, Adrian [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Packages On Dec 21, 2008, at 15:46 , Bill Schwab wrote:
Lukas,
You are correct to question "what is Pharo?" We cannot hope to ensure that everything anyone ever does with Pharo will work - those kinds of promises are made only during political campaigns :) But, note the recent discussion of package integrity. It should be as easy as possible to install anything one wants, but the things that Pharo invites the user to install should be solid. Certainly, the development tools should fall into that category.
For example, I have a love/hate relationship with the RB, but I certainly hope to see it integrated into Pharo. But given a choice between a polished presentation of the RB commands and a stable system, I'll go for the stable system. We should have both.
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
renggli@gmail.com 12/21/08 3:07 AM >>> My understanding is that the OB tool set is the presumptive choice for Pharo - unless I'm wrong, that makes this a Pharo related topic, if only to reopen the choice in light of your position.
I don't know which is the official Pharo image? There is a plain one without any extras loaded that the Pharo team uses for their releases, and then there is one with additional tools loaded by Damien that also contains OB-Tools.
Do as you want, but Object Arts had this idea and very quickly decided the simpler notifier had a very essential role. They left the option, activated the notifier by default, and strongly warned against deactivating it. That was based on being bitten by the kinds of concerns I have documented here.
Don't get me wrong. Feel free to add this preference and the additional dialog, but don't expect me to do it:
http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/2008-August/000580.html
Lukas
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Send the code. Stef On Dec 21, 2008, at 11:44 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Sounds good. And in that case (OB Tools at the end of the list), I urge serious attention to having a notifier. Learning from history, and all that.
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
adi@netstyle.ch 12/21/08 5:31 PM >>> Here is an answer for "what is Pharo?"
There will be two images: "Pharo-Core": the image in which the development of Pharo takes place "Pharo": the image to develop your application with (= "Pharo-Core" + IDE tools [1])
"Pharo" is the image that will be officially shipped (packaged as a one-click image). "Pharo-Core" on the other hand will be important for deployment as it has a low memory footprint.
Cheers, Adrian
[1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Packages
On Dec 21, 2008, at 15:46 , Bill Schwab wrote:
Lukas,
You are correct to question "what is Pharo?" We cannot hope to ensure that everything anyone ever does with Pharo will work - those kinds of promises are made only during political campaigns :) But, note the recent discussion of package integrity. It should be as easy as possible to install anything one wants, but the things that Pharo invites the user to install should be solid. Certainly, the development tools should fall into that category.
For example, I have a love/hate relationship with the RB, but I certainly hope to see it integrated into Pharo. But given a choice between a polished presentation of the RB commands and a stable system, I'll go for the stable system. We should have both.
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
renggli@gmail.com 12/21/08 3:07 AM >>> My understanding is that the OB tool set is the presumptive choice for Pharo - unless I'm wrong, that makes this a Pharo related topic, if only to reopen the choice in light of your position.
I don't know which is the official Pharo image? There is a plain one without any extras loaded that the Pharo team uses for their releases, and then there is one with additional tools loaded by Damien that also contains OB-Tools.
Do as you want, but Object Arts had this idea and very quickly decided the simpler notifier had a very essential role. They left the option, activated the notifier by default, and strongly warned against deactivating it. That was based on being bitten by the kinds of concerns I have documented here.
Don't get me wrong. Feel free to add this preference and the additional dialog, but don't expect me to do it:
http://mail.wiresong.ca/pipermail/ob-dev/2008-August/000580.html
Lukas
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