[Pharo-project] Addition to "About Pharo" dialog
Hi Guys: Is just me that think that is useful to have the VM version at hand (may be in the "About Pharo" dialog)? In my case, using different computers, and having differents vm's is so useful and I added a little code to have this info in such Dialog. If may be of interest I cand send a slice. Let me know. Cheers. -- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
+1 ;) Ben On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Is just me that think that is useful to have the VM version at hand (may be in the "About Pharo" dialog)?
In my case, using different computers, and having differents vm's is so useful and I added a little code to have this info in such Dialog.
If may be of interest I cand send a slice. Let me know.
Cheers.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
+1, that sound useful for as.. We have a lot implementations with different VM and image version. A short cut to get this information can be great..(In seaside screenshot tool, will be a must :) ) Best D. Enviado desde mi BlackBerry® de Claro Argentina -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> Sender: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:42:01 To: <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Reply-To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to "About Pharo" dialog +1 ;) Ben On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Is just me that think that is useful to have the VM version at hand (may be in the "About Pharo" dialog)?
In my case, using different computers, and having differents vm's is so useful and I added a little code to have this info in such Dialog.
If may be of interest I cand send a slice. Let me know.
Cheers.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
Or, may be is better to add the info in the vm statistics window, as in the example attached. 2011/8/25 <diogenes.moreira@gmail.com>:
+1, that sound useful for as.. We have a lot implementations with different VM and image version. A short cut to get this information can be great..(In seaside screenshot tool, will be a must :) )
Best D. Enviado desde mi BlackBerry® de Claro Argentina
-----Original Message----- From: Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> Sender: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:42:01 To: <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Reply-To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to "About Pharo" dialog
+1 ;)
Ben On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Is just me that think that is useful to have the VM version at hand (may be in the "About Pharo" dialog)?
In my case, using different computers, and having differents vm's is so useful and I added a little code to have this info in such Dialog.
If may be of interest I cand send a slice. Let me know.
Cheers.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino  <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro  http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
+1 as well :) Am 26.08.2011 um 01:36 schrieb Germán Arduino:
Hi Guys:
Is just me that think that is useful to have the VM version at hand (may be in the "About Pharo" dialog)?
In my case, using different computers, and having differents vm's is so useful and I added a little code to have this info in such Dialog.
If may be of interest I cand send a slice. Let me know.
Cheers.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted. It would be good to use it. Stef On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Is just me that think that is useful to have the VM version at hand (may be in the "About Pharo" dialog)?
In my case, using different computers, and having differents vm's is so useful and I added a little code to have this info in such Dialog.
If may be of interest I cand send a slice. Let me know.
Cheers.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information. It's based on ToolBuilder, if I not bad remember of this list, was removed from Pharo. Sorry with the question (I'm not a morphic guy) but exist some guide to convert/migrate/rewrite a UI from ToolBuilder to current UI tools on Pharo? Cheers. 2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted. It would be good to use it.
Stef
On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:36 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Is just me that think that is useful to have the VM version at hand (may be in the "About Pharo" dialog)?
In my case, using different computers, and having differents vm's is so useful and I added a little code to have this info in such Dialog.
If may be of interest I cand send a slice. Let me know.
Cheers.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino  <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro  http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
Hi Germán! 2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out. Alex
Hi Alexander: Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time. I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :) Cheers. 2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss is down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html). If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project. Germán. 2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
AS I said before I'm not very good with Morphic, and think also that add some sort of "System Reporter Information" to tODE could be a good idea (At least to me (and Diógenes?)). What do you think (Pic attached) Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>: BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss is down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html).
If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
ok, the tODE version, as is useful to my needs, is ready on http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/tode-SystemReporter.html (Dale, you are admin, of course). Is a little .mcz to load in a tODE image. Pic attached. Germán. 2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
AS I said before I'm not very good with Morphic, and think also that add some sort of "System Reporter Information" to tODE could be a good idea (At least to me (and Diógenes?)).
What do you think (Pic attached)
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>: BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss is down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html).
If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
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yes, i agree. In fact, i'm using something similar when i have to submit new issues, because i was tired of looking for the system information. see attached() On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com> wrote:
ok, the tODE version, as is useful to my needs, is ready on http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/tode-SystemReporter.html (Dale, you are admin, of course).
Is a little .mcz to load in a tODE image. Pic attached.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
AS I said before I'm not very good with Morphic, and think also that add some sort of "System Reporter Information" to tODE could be a good idea (At least to me (and Diógenes?)).
What do you think (Pic attached)
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>: BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss is down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html).
If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
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Excellent, I should add platform data also. 2011/8/26 Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann@gmail.com>:
yes, i agree. In fact, i'm using something similar when i have to submit new issues, because i was tired of looking for the system information. see attached()
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com> wrote:
ok, the tODE version, as is useful to my needs, is ready on http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/tode-SystemReporter.html (Dale, you are admin, of course).
Is a little .mcz to load in a tODE image. Pic attached.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
AS I said before I'm not very good with Morphic, and think also that add some sort of "System Reporter Information" to tODE could be a good idea (At least to me (and Diógenes?)).
What do you think (Pic attached)
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>: BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss is down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html).
If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
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that's not in the template issue at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list but i added because i thought it could be important. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent, I should add platform data also.
2011/8/26 Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann@gmail.com>:
yes, i agree. In fact, i'm using something similar when i have to submit new issues, because i was tired of looking for the system information. see attached()
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com> wrote:
ok, the tODE version, as is useful to my needs, is ready on http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/tode-SystemReporter.html (Dale, you are admin, of course).
Is a little .mcz to load in a tODE image. Pic attached.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
AS I said before I'm not very good with Morphic, and think also that add some sort of "System Reporter Information" to tODE could be a good idea (At least to me (and Diógenes?)).
What do you think (Pic attached)
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>: BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss
is
down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html).
If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot
of
information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
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sure. 2011/8/26 Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann@gmail.com>:
that's not in the template issue at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list but i added because i thought it could be important.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent, I should add platform data also.
2011/8/26 Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann@gmail.com>:
yes, i agree. In fact, i'm using something similar when i have to submit new issues, because i was tired of looking for the system information. see attached()
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com> wrote:
ok, the tODE version, as is useful to my needs, is ready on http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/tode-SystemReporter.html (Dale, you are admin, of course).
Is a little .mcz to load in a tODE image. Pic attached.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
AS I said before I'm not very good with Morphic, and think also that add some sort of "System Reporter Information" to tODE could be a good idea (At least to me (and Diógenes?)).
What do you think (Pic attached)
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>: BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss is down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html).
If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
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Yeap, that is a good addition.. Enviado desde mi BlackBerry® de Claro Argentina -----Original Message----- From: Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com> Sender: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:33:25 To: <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Reply-To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Cc: <tode_st@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Addition to "About Pharo" dialog AS I said before I'm not very good with Morphic, and think also that add some sort of "System Reporter Information" to tODE could be a good idea (At least to me (and Diógenes?)). What do you think (Pic attached) Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>: BTW Alexander, I added (to have a chance of share the code while ss is down) the latest version of squeaksource (with some comments I did on the class method #open) on Squeaksource3 (http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/SystemReporter.html).
If you have user here, let me know and I will put you as admin of the project.
Germán.
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Alexander:
Sure, I was doing a quick review and the modifications to make it work in Pharo shouldn't be very hard, only a matter of some free time.
I could try (and also practice my little morphic knowledgment) :)
Cheers.
2011/8/26 Alexander LazareviÄ <laza@blobworks.com>:
Hi Germán!
2011/8/26 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>
I take a look to SystemReporter, really interesting, it has a lot of information.
I think I had an early version working on some Pharo image. I did not had the steam to make it work in latest Pharo versions since it is based on ToolBuilder which seems to be lacking to some degree (100% ;) in Pharo. Also the tiny little differences between the two flavors drove me insane. But nothing that couldn't be worked out.
Alex
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
Hi Stef! 2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>
In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted. It would be good to use it.
Sure thing that I was just about to mention that it is on SqueakSource, when there is no SqueakSource. :-/ Boy, this is annoying. To me it seems that the SqueakSource repo on source.squeak.org received some more love in the past so that it seems to be more stable and responsive. Just for practical reasons (a source repo that's not available over long periods of time just suxx) I'm considering moving my few bits to source.squeak.org until there is a reliable alternative. Wouldn't it make also good sense to move some vital stuff like the vmmaker repo to this destination? I know this will be controversial, but the current situation is bad at best. I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know! Alex
On 26.08.2011, at 18:14, Alexander LazareviÄ wrote:
Hi Stef!
2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted. It would be good to use it.
Sure thing that I was just about to mention that it is on SqueakSource, when there is no SqueakSource. :-/
Boy, this is annoying.
The Chile mirror is up.
To me it seems that the SqueakSource repo on source.squeak.org received some more love in the past so that it seems to be more stable and responsive.
While it seems more stable indeed, it also gets much less traffic. I'n not sure it would handle the load of squeaksource.com as well.
Just for practical reasons (a source repo that's not available over long periods of time just suxx) I'm considering moving my few bits to source.squeak.org until there is a reliable alternative.
So far we have not opened up source.squeak.org for personal projects.
Wouldn't it make also good sense to move some vital stuff like the vmmaker repo to this destination? I know this will be controversial, but the current situation is bad at best.
That would be a good idea IMHO - you might ask what the other VM developers think of the idea on the vm-dev list.
I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know!
We discussed this at ESUG and so far the most promising plan is to migrate squeaksource.com to a SqueakSource3 instance running on Gemstone. Tobias should be able to tell us more. - Bert -
A new GemStone-hosted SS sounds good, but my own curiousity is burning. I probably missed the discussion about whether we ever attempted to debug and fix this situation by means other than complete replacement. I'm very curious to know, what is the nature of the scalability/crashing problem with SS that this community has been (uncharacteristically) unable to solve? On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@freudenbergs.de> wrote:
On 26.08.2011, at 18:14, Alexander LazareviÄ wrote:
Hi Stef!
2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>
In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted.
It would be good to use it.
Sure thing that I was just about to mention that it is on SqueakSource, when there is no SqueakSource. :-/
Boy, this is annoying.
The Chile mirror is up.
To me it seems that the SqueakSource repo on source.squeak.org received some more love in the past so that it seems to be more stable and responsive.
While it seems more stable indeed, it also gets much less traffic. I'n not sure it would handle the load of squeaksource.com as well.
Just for practical reasons (a source repo that's not available over long periods of time just suxx) I'm considering moving my few bits to source.squeak.org until there is a reliable alternative.
So far we have not opened up source.squeak.org for personal projects.
Wouldn't it make also good sense to move some vital stuff like the vmmaker repo to this destination? I know this will be controversial, but the current situation is bad at best.
That would be a good idea IMHO - you might ask what the other VM developers think of the idea on the vm-dev list.
I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know!
We discussed this at ESUG and so far the most promising plan is to migrate squeaksource.com to a SqueakSource3 instance running on Gemstone. Tobias should be able to tell us more. - Bert -
On 27 August 2011 14:59, Bert Freudenberg <bert@freudenbergs.de> wrote:
On 26.08.2011, at 18:14, Alexander LazareviÄ wrote:
Hi Stef!
2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>
In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted.
It would be good to use it.
Sure thing that I was just about to mention that it is on SqueakSource, when there is no SqueakSource. :-/
Boy, this is annoying.
The Chile mirror is up.
To me it seems that the SqueakSource repo on source.squeak.org received some more love in the past so that it seems to be more stable and responsive.
While it seems more stable indeed, it also gets much less traffic. I'n not sure it would handle the load of squeaksource.com as well.
Just for practical reasons (a source repo that's not available over long periods of time just suxx) I'm considering moving my few bits to source.squeak.org until there is a reliable alternative.
So far we have not opened up source.squeak.org for personal projects.
Wouldn't it make also good sense to move some vital stuff like the vmmaker repo to this destination? I know this will be controversial, but the current situation is bad at best.
That would be a good idea IMHO - you might ask what the other VM developers think of the idea on the vm-dev list.
I think this is good idea, especially if uploading VMMaker package won't take ages as currently is. There are some screwed logic on squeaksource.
I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know!
We discussed this at ESUG and so far the most promising plan is to migrate squeaksource.com to a SqueakSource3 instance running on Gemstone. Tobias should be able to tell us more. - Bert -
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
2011/8/27 Bert Freudenberg <bert@freudenbergs.de>
The Chile mirror is up.
Just learned about that one. Thanks! While it seems more stable indeed, it also gets much less traffic. I'n not
sure it would handle the load of squeaksource.com as well.
Ok, but spreading the workload on to more than one SqueakSource server by moving selected projects from squeaksource.com as an interims solution could ease the pain, no?
So far we have not opened up source.squeak.org for personal projects.
Hah. Typical Plan B characteristics! ;) That would be a good idea IMHO - you might ask what the other VM developers think of the idea on the vm-dev list. I will forward it to the vm-dev list. I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know! We discussed this at ESUG and so far the most promising plan is to migrate squeaksource.com to a SqueakSource3 instance running on Gemstone. Tobias should be able to tell us more. Is there a project page besides the actual beta repo installation? Alex
Am 2011-08-29 um 08:18 schrieb Alexander LazareviÄ:
2011/8/27 Bert Freudenberg <bert@freudenbergs.de> The Chile mirror is up.
Just learned about that one. Thanks!
While it seems more stable indeed, it also gets much less traffic. I'n not sure it would handle the load of squeaksource.com as well.
Ok, but spreading the workload on to more than one SqueakSource server by moving selected projects from squeaksource.com as an interims solution could ease the pain, no?
So far we have not opened up source.squeak.org for personal projects.
Hah. Typical Plan B characteristics! ;)
That would be a good idea IMHO - you might ask what the other VM developers think of the idea on the vm-dev list.
I will forward it to the vm-dev list.
I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know! We discussed this at ESUG and so far the most promising plan is to migrate squeaksource.com to a SqueakSource3 instance running on Gemstone. Tobias should be able to tell us more.
Is there a project page besides the actual beta repo installation?
What do you mean by project page? We have an issuetracker at squeaksource3.googlecode.com and the regular sources at http://www.squeaksource.com/squeaksource3.html and http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/squeaksource3.html Best -Tobias
2011/8/30 Tobias Pape <Das.Linux@gmx.de>
What do you mean by project page?
Just a simple page that has some Whys, Whos, Hows, Whats and Whats nots! Maybe something like this [1]. Alex [1] http://swagger.wordnik.com/
On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Alexander LazareviÄ wrote:
Hi Stef!
2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted. It would be good to use it.
Sure thing that I was just about to mention that it is on SqueakSource, when there is no SqueakSource. :-/
Boy, this is annoying.
To me it seems that the SqueakSource repo on source.squeak.org received some more love in the past so that it seems to be more stable and responsive. Just for practical reasons (a source repo that's not available over long periods of time just suxx) I'm considering moving my few bits to source.squeak.org until there is a reliable alternative.
Wouldn't it make also good sense to move some vital stuff like the vmmaker repo to this destination? I know this will be controversial, but the current situation is bad at best.
I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know!
yes But beside magic I cannot do much. We discussed with nicolas petton and he is working hard to make sure that SmalltalkHub will not have such problem.
I think that having problems in software is a common reality, unfortunately. May be Squeaksource and it's servers (I don't know) are having a lot in these days, but the point I would mention is that is needed to think in "availability" more than in have 0 problems. The problems will exist, sooner or later, with SmalltalkHub or Squeaksource3, the challenge is, in my point of view, to have availability (some ways of reaction) in front of different failures. May be Squeaksource3 (based in Gemstone) is already covering this topic, and surely also SmalltalkHub could do it, but this is the key in my opinion, not have a single point of failure. Just my 2 cents. 2011/8/27 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Alexander LazareviÄ wrote:
Hi Stef!
2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted. It would be good to use it.
Sure thing that I was just about to mention that it is on SqueakSource, when there is no SqueakSource. :-/
Boy, this is annoying.
To me it seems that the SqueakSource repo on source.squeak.org received some more love in the past so that it seems to be more stable and responsive. Just for practical reasons (a source repo that's not available over long periods of time just suxx) I'm considering moving my few bits to source.squeak.org until there is a reliable alternative.
Wouldn't it make also good sense to move some vital stuff like the vmmaker repo to this destination? I know this will be controversial, but the current situation is bad at best.
I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know!
yes But beside magic I cannot do much. We discussed with nicolas petton and he is working hard to make sure that SmalltalkHub will not have such problem.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net>  Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting  http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
On Aug 28, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
I think that having problems in software is a common reality, unfortunately.
May be Squeaksource and it's servers (I don't know) are having a lot in these days, but the point I would mention is that is needed to think in "availability" more than in have 0 problems.
The problem of the instability of SS is that using files as a back end when you put hundred thousands of files in on folder does not scale. Guess how many files are in the seaside repository :) and the pharo? Stef
The problems will exist, sooner or later, with SmalltalkHub or Squeaksource3, the challenge is, in my point of view, to have availability (some ways of reaction) in front of different failures.
no we hope not.
May be Squeaksource3 (based in Gemstone) is already covering this topic, and surely also SmalltalkHub could do it, but this is the key in my opinion, not have a single point of failure.
Just my 2 cents.
2011/8/27 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Alexander LazareviÄ wrote:
Hi Stef!
2011/8/26 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> In Squeak alexander lazaverich did a SystemReporter. I wanted to have a look but got distracted. It would be good to use it.
Sure thing that I was just about to mention that it is on SqueakSource, when there is no SqueakSource. :-/
Boy, this is annoying.
To me it seems that the SqueakSource repo on source.squeak.org received some more love in the past so that it seems to be more stable and responsive. Just for practical reasons (a source repo that's not available over long periods of time just suxx) I'm considering moving my few bits to source.squeak.org until there is a reliable alternative.
Wouldn't it make also good sense to move some vital stuff like the vmmaker repo to this destination? I know this will be controversial, but the current situation is bad at best.
I think the broken SqueakSource is hurting us more than we know!
yes But beside magic I cannot do much. We discussed with nicolas petton and he is working hard to make sure that SmalltalkHub will not have such problem.
-- ================================================= Germán S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software & Web Hosting http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com =================================================
2011/8/28 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
On Aug 28, 2011, at 4:32 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
I think that having problems in software is a common reality, unfortunately.
May be Squeaksource and it's servers (I don't know) are having a lot in these days, but the point I would mention is that is needed to think in "availability" more than in have 0 problems.
The problem of the instability of SS is that using files as a back end when you put hundred thousands of files in on folder does not scale. Guess how many files are in the seaside repository :) and the pharo?
Yes, I know. Then here the problem in the persistence in file system, were a possible solution could be a replicated file system: http://www.xtreemfs.org/ (To mention one example of what I'm talking about).
Stef
The problems will exist, sooner or later, with SmalltalkHub or Squeaksource3, the challenge is, in my point of view, to have availability (some ways of reaction) in front of different failures.
no we hope not.
I hope the same, but we should work thinking in that the problems could exist (software, communications, servers, etc) then is good to think in terms of availability (Is not cheap, I know).
The plan for SmalltalkHub are - gemstone back-end - inria hosting - replication on three locations So soon (when nicolas decide) we will start a beta phase: we will push seaside pharo and a lot more in Smalltalkhub and launch some queries to stress test. Then we will deploy on INRIA. Stef
2011/8/28 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
The plan for SmalltalkHub are     - gemstone back-end     - inria hosting     - replication on three locations
Replication: This is about what I talked on my previous mail, excellent.
So soon (when nicolas decide) we will start a beta phase: we will push seaside pharo and a lot more in Smalltalkhub and launch some queries to stress test.
Then we will deploy on INRIA.
Stef
participants (11)
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Alexander LazareviÄ -
Benjamin -
Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras -
Bert Freudenberg -
Chris Muller -
diogenes.moreira＠gmail.com -
Germán Arduino -
Igor Stasenko -
Johannes Rasche -
Stéphane Ducasse -
Tobias Pape