[Pharo-project] Squeak/Pharo/Cuis on Android
What is the state of Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android tablets and phone? Lots of questions: - what is the state of VM/images? - any comments/hints on devices, speed and memory consumption? - is it worth to buy one to run Smalltalk for own stuff? - anyone written apps with Smalltalk for Android? - is it possible to interface with native stuff. state of touch support, ... Thanks for sharing any experience. Thx T. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
On 03/03/2011 03:37 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
What is the state of Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android tablets and phone? Lots of questions: - what is the state of VM/images? - any comments/hints on devices, speed and memory consumption? - is it worth to buy one to run Smalltalk for own stuff? - anyone written apps with Smalltalk for Android? - is it possible to interface with native stuff. state of touch support, ...
Generally speaking, here are my silly notions in this area: - Android is heavily oriented around Dalvik and the libraries for it (Java) - Android will be *the* platform for private computing in the near future IMHO. Yes, I really think so. Android 3.0 looks really hot. - A Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android will never be more than a toy unless we can tap into the Dalvik/Java platform. - This means we REALLY need JNIPort or similar projects to work really, really well in order to actually use the libraries in full. ...or we need to get Squeak running inside/on-top-of Dalvik somehow. Weird ideas: - PotatoSqueak is a port of the Squeak VM to java. Run that on Dalvik and hey... - PySqueak using Pypy could probably generate a fast Squeak VM running in java bytecode which possibly also could be run on Dalvik. Both the above approaches would probably make interfacing with Dalvik/Java much simpler. ...or just try using SilverSmalltalk or such. ;) regards, Göran
I would be interested in any attempts to produce native bytecode on java vm for pharo. Now this is the usual equation: money and money or time. JSqueak or Potatos squeak could be also interesting. Stef On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Göran Krampe wrote:
On 03/03/2011 03:37 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
What is the state of Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android tablets and phone? Lots of questions: - what is the state of VM/images? - any comments/hints on devices, speed and memory consumption? - is it worth to buy one to run Smalltalk for own stuff? - anyone written apps with Smalltalk for Android? - is it possible to interface with native stuff. state of touch support, ...
Generally speaking, here are my silly notions in this area:
- Android is heavily oriented around Dalvik and the libraries for it (Java)
- Android will be *the* platform for private computing in the near future IMHO. Yes, I really think so. Android 3.0 looks really hot.
- A Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android will never be more than a toy unless we can tap into the Dalvik/Java platform.
- This means we REALLY need JNIPort or similar projects to work really, really well in order to actually use the libraries in full.
...or we need to get Squeak running inside/on-top-of Dalvik somehow.
Weird ideas: - PotatoSqueak is a port of the Squeak VM to java. Run that on Dalvik and hey... - PySqueak using Pypy could probably generate a fast Squeak VM running in java bytecode which possibly also could be run on Dalvik.
Both the above approaches would probably make interfacing with Dalvik/Java much simpler.
...or just try using SilverSmalltalk or such. ;)
regards, Göran
.. there is a native Smalltalk on JavaScript VM on the way .. stay tuned! (but not from me .. ;) Such Smalltalk app can be then wrapped in pure Android, iOS etc. app with technology like PhoneGap (http://www.phonegap.com). I'm namely just preparing a presentation titled From Web to Android App for tommorow local MobileCamp:Android http://www.mobilecamp.si/what/ ... Janko On 04. 03. 2011 11:04, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I would be interested in any attempts to produce native bytecode on java vm for pharo. Now this is the usual equation: money and money or time. JSqueak or Potatos squeak could be also interesting.
Stef
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Göran Krampe wrote:
On 03/03/2011 03:37 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
What is the state of Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android tablets and phone? Lots of questions: - what is the state of VM/images? - any comments/hints on devices, speed and memory consumption? - is it worth to buy one to run Smalltalk for own stuff? - anyone written apps with Smalltalk for Android? - is it possible to interface with native stuff. state of touch support, ...
Generally speaking, here are my silly notions in this area:
- Android is heavily oriented around Dalvik and the libraries for it (Java)
- Android will be *the* platform for private computing in the near future IMHO. Yes, I really think so. Android 3.0 looks really hot.
- A Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android will never be more than a toy unless we can tap into the Dalvik/Java platform.
- This means we REALLY need JNIPort or similar projects to work really, really well in order to actually use the libraries in full.
...or we need to get Squeak running inside/on-top-of Dalvik somehow.
Weird ideas: - PotatoSqueak is a port of the Squeak VM to java. Run that on Dalvik and hey... - PySqueak using Pypy could probably generate a fast Squeak VM running in java bytecode which possibly also could be run on Dalvik.
Both the above approaches would probably make interfacing with Dalvik/Java much simpler.
...or just try using SilverSmalltalk or such. ;)
regards, Göran
Sounds intriguing :) Doru On 4 Mar 2011, at 22:30, Janko Mivšek wrote:
.. there is a native Smalltalk on JavaScript VM on the way .. stay tuned! (but not from me .. ;)
Such Smalltalk app can be then wrapped in pure Android, iOS etc. app with technology like PhoneGap (http://www.phonegap.com).
I'm namely just preparing a presentation titled From Web to Android App for tommorow local MobileCamp:Android http://www.mobilecamp.si/what/ ...
Janko
On 04. 03. 2011 11:04, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I would be interested in any attempts to produce native bytecode on java vm for pharo. Now this is the usual equation: money and money or time. JSqueak or Potatos squeak could be also interesting.
Stef
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Göran Krampe wrote:
On 03/03/2011 03:37 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
What is the state of Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android tablets and phone? Lots of questions: - what is the state of VM/images? - any comments/hints on devices, speed and memory consumption? - is it worth to buy one to run Smalltalk for own stuff? - anyone written apps with Smalltalk for Android? - is it possible to interface with native stuff. state of touch support, ...
Generally speaking, here are my silly notions in this area:
- Android is heavily oriented around Dalvik and the libraries for it (Java)
- Android will be *the* platform for private computing in the near future IMHO. Yes, I really think so. Android 3.0 looks really hot.
- A Squeak/Pharo/Cuis for Android will never be more than a toy unless we can tap into the Dalvik/Java platform.
- This means we REALLY need JNIPort or similar projects to work really, really well in order to actually use the libraries in full.
...or we need to get Squeak running inside/on-top-of Dalvik somehow.
Weird ideas: - PotatoSqueak is a port of the Squeak VM to java. Run that on Dalvik and hey... - PySqueak using Pypy could probably generate a fast Squeak VM running in java bytecode which possibly also could be run on Dalvik.
Both the above approaches would probably make interfacing with Dalvik/Java much simpler.
...or just try using SilverSmalltalk or such. ;)
regards, Göran
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Göran Krampe -
Janko Mivšek -
Stéphane Ducasse -
Torsten Bergmann -
Tudor Girba