PharoLauncher on Windows not the latest version
I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree? Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made). It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository. Tim On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
I mean PharoLauncher cannot download Pharo 4 because it displays no such option. No Moose 5 , etc etc. Its also the old GUI. So this must be the latest version, I am not near my window pc now at work so I will try tomorrow the developer mode to see exactly which version of PharoLauncher it is. Are you on windows ? On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree?
Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made).
It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
Hmmm that sounds strange (it could be I messed something up) - but did you get your zip file from: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/885/PHARO=30,VERSIO... ?? I just tested that one (but on OSX) and it shows my change as well as templates for Moose 5 and Pharo 4. Iâve just pushed another change (which would be 886), which also fixes a bug Stef mentioned (if underlying files change, it used to terminate instead of refreshing) - that should build shortly. However - the links on SmalltalkHub are still pointing to images from Jun (the Hudson jobs arenât triggered automatically it seems) - so I think you might be running something other than what you think you are running. Anyway - let me know what happens, and Iâll try and talk to Damien (who is on holiday) - and sort it out if Iâve broken it. Tim On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:16, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean PharoLauncher cannot download Pharo 4 because it displays no such option. No Moose 5 , etc etc. Its also the old GUI. So this must be the latest version, I am not near my window pc now at work so I will try tomorrow the developer mode to see exactly which version of PharoLauncher it is.
Are you on windows ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree?
Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made).
It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
No dont talk to Damien if he is on holiday , I prefer to respect people free time / relaxation time. This can wait for when Damien will be back. Both Damien and I frequent the irc channel so we will talk , its not a problem. As I said in my original post I am downloading PharoLauncher from Smalltalkhub links that can be located here http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher the link you posted is not contained in there , I used this https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Win-Package/lastSuc... and this https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncherFinalUserImage/lastS... As I said my problem is on Windows, on MacOS its fine . On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Hmmm that sounds strange (it could be I messed something up) - but did you get your zip file from: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/885/PHARO=30,VERSIO... ??
I just tested that one (but on OSX) and it shows my change as well as templates for Moose 5 and Pharo 4.
Iâve just pushed another change (which would be 886), which also fixes a bug Stef mentioned (if underlying files change, it used to terminate instead of refreshing) - that should build shortly.
However - the links on SmalltalkHub are still pointing to images from Jun (the Hudson jobs arenât triggered automatically it seems) - so I think you might be running something other than what you think you are running.
Anyway - let me know what happens, and Iâll try and talk to Damien (who is on holiday) - and sort it out if Iâve broken it.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:16, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean PharoLauncher cannot download Pharo 4 because it displays no such option. No Moose 5 , etc etc. Its also the old GUI. So this must be the latest version, I am not near my window pc now at work so I will try tomorrow the developer mode to see exactly which version of PharoLauncher it is.
Are you on windows ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree?
Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made).
It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
Ok - then it could be that the jobs that produce those Platform specific builds could be messed up (at least for windows). If you want the latest build - follow the CI link mentioned on Smalltalk hub - which will end up on Jenkins, and the latex build is 886 - https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/886/PHARO=30,VERSIO... If you take that .image file you will have the absolute latest - which does show Moose and Pharo 4. And I agree - we will leave Damien alone and when he gets back he said he would look at my changes anyway - which should cause new platform builds. Tim On 27 Aug 2014, at 16:55, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
No dont talk to Damien if he is on holiday , I prefer to respect people free time / relaxation time. This can wait for when Damien will be back. Both Damien and I frequent the irc channel so we will talk , its not a problem.
As I said in my original post I am downloading PharoLauncher from Smalltalkhub links that can be located here
http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher
the link you posted is not contained in there , I used this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Win-Package/lastSuc...
and this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncherFinalUserImage/lastS...
As I said my problem is on Windows, on MacOS its fine .
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: Hmmm that sounds strange (it could be I messed something up) - but did you get your zip file from: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/885/PHARO=30,VERSIO... ??
I just tested that one (but on OSX) and it shows my change as well as templates for Moose 5 and Pharo 4.
Iâve just pushed another change (which would be 886), which also fixes a bug Stef mentioned (if underlying files change, it used to terminate instead of refreshing) - that should build shortly.
However - the links on SmalltalkHub are still pointing to images from Jun (the Hudson jobs arenât triggered automatically it seems) - so I think you might be running something other than what you think you are running.
Anyway - let me know what happens, and Iâll try and talk to Damien (who is on holiday) - and sort it out if Iâve broken it.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:16, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean PharoLauncher cannot download Pharo 4 because it displays no such option. No Moose 5 , etc etc. Its also the old GUI. So this must be the latest version, I am not near my window pc now at work so I will try tomorrow the developer mode to see exactly which version of PharoLauncher it is.
Are you on windows ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree?
Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made).
It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
I will try your link tomorrow when I am back with windows pc, thank you On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Ok - then it could be that the jobs that produce those Platform specific builds could be messed up (at least for windows).
If you want the latest build - follow the CI link mentioned on Smalltalk hub - which will end up on Jenkins, and the latex build is 886 - https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/886/PHARO=30,VERSIO...
If you take that .image file you will have the absolute latest - which does show Moose and Pharo 4.
And I agree - we will leave Damien alone and when he gets back he said he would look at my changes anyway - which should cause new platform builds.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 16:55, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
No dont talk to Damien if he is on holiday , I prefer to respect people free time / relaxation time. This can wait for when Damien will be back. Both Damien and I frequent the irc channel so we will talk , its not a problem.
As I said in my original post I am downloading PharoLauncher from Smalltalkhub links that can be located here
http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher
the link you posted is not contained in there , I used this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Win-Package/lastSuc...
and this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncherFinalUserImage/lastS...
As I said my problem is on Windows, on MacOS its fine .
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Hmmm that sounds strange (it could be I messed something up) - but did you get your zip file from: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/885/PHARO=30,VERSIO... ??
I just tested that one (but on OSX) and it shows my change as well as templates for Moose 5 and Pharo 4.
Iâve just pushed another change (which would be 886), which also fixes a bug Stef mentioned (if underlying files change, it used to terminate instead of refreshing) - that should build shortly.
However - the links on SmalltalkHub are still pointing to images from Jun (the Hudson jobs arenât triggered automatically it seems) - so I think you might be running something other than what you think you are running.
Anyway - let me know what happens, and Iâll try and talk to Damien (who is on holiday) - and sort it out if Iâve broken it.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:16, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean PharoLauncher cannot download Pharo 4 because it displays no such option. No Moose 5 , etc etc. Its also the old GUI. So this must be the latest version, I am not near my window pc now at work so I will try tomorrow the developer mode to see exactly which version of PharoLauncher it is.
Are you on windows ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree?
Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made).
It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
Wow - thanks for the detail Ben. I'd forgotten about that windows virtual stuff. It's quite tricky... I guess we might have to add this to the SmalltalkHub description on confirmation from Kilon. Tim P.s. I have another simple change queued up to let Launcher use a specified VM (not just the one you launched with). On the mac this gets around not being able to run Launcher again if it exits after launching an image (eg to launch a second one). It also has a nice side effect to let you test with a bleeding edge VM. Tim Sent from my iPhone
On 27 Aug 2014, at 06:42 pm, Ben Coman <btc@openInWorld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
No dont talk to Damien if he is on holiday , I prefer to respect people free time / relaxation time. This can wait for when Damien will be back. Both Damien and I frequent the irc channel so we will talk , its not a problem.
As I said in my original post I am downloading PharoLauncher from Smalltalkhub links that can be located here
http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher
the link you posted is not contained in there , I used this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Win-Package/lastSuc...
and this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncherFinalUserImage/lastS...
As I said my problem is on Windows, on MacOS its fine .
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: Hmmm that sounds strange (it could be I messed something up) - but did you get your zip file from: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/885/PHARO=30,VERSIO... ??
I just tested that one (but on OSX) and it shows my change as well as templates for Moose 5 and Pharo 4.
Iâve just pushed another change (which would be 886), which also fixes a bug Stef mentioned (if underlying files change, it used to terminate instead of refreshing) - that should build shortly.
However - the links on SmalltalkHub are still pointing to images from Jun (the Hudson jobs arenât triggered automatically it seems) - so I think you might be running something other than what you think you are running.
Anyway - let me know what happens, and Iâll try and talk to Damien (who is on holiday) - and sort it out if Iâve broken it.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:16, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean PharoLauncher cannot download Pharo 4 because it displays no such option. No Moose 5 , etc etc. Its also the old GUI. So this must be the latest version, I am not near my window pc now at work so I will try tomorrow the developer mode to see exactly which version of PharoLauncher it is.
Are you on windows ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree?
Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made).
It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
Are you operating as a Standard(Limited) User ? Sounds like UAC File Virtualization. I got hit by that. I believe that your new PharoLauncher application with Pharo 4 template installed okay, but its being hidden by your virtual copy of the old application. Two checks you can do: 1. Run Launcher as an Administrator and check if you get different tempaltes. 2. Check if you have a folder C:\Users\YOURACCOUNT\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Pharo
The hack fix is to delete that folder.
I believe this problem will only occur if you go into development mode and save the image, however this would be better to avoid this constraint. I see a few options for a permanent solution, but I don't know which is best, so I stalled in implementing it. a. Install VM into C:\Program Files (x86) and Image & Changes files into C:\ProgramData\Pharo b. Install VM into C:\Program Files (x86) and Image & Changes files into C:\Users\YOURACCOUNT\AppData\Roaming\pharo\bin c. Install whole PharoLauncher app only per user (e.g. for "Just Me" ) VM & Image & Changes into folder C:\Users\YOURACCOUNT\AppData\Roaming\pharo\bin d. When run as admin, PharoLauncher Installer puts itself in the machine folderC:\Program Files (x86) and when this is run as a Standard User, it sets up per (b.).
Actually reading around and finding [1], maybe (a.) is best.
[1] http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Installation/Q_28235986.html
Background info... https://decibel.ni.com/content/groups/windows-7/blog/2009/10/02/uac-virtuali... http://blogs.technet.com/b/mrsnrub/archive/2010/08/11/uac-virtualization-all... http://blogs.msdn.com/b/patricka/archive/2009/12/14/tales-of-application-com...
HTH, cheers -ben
ok thing get worse and worse I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following http://pastebin.com/v9Hpx9pK I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem. On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
No dont talk to Damien if he is on holiday , I prefer to respect people free time / relaxation time. This can wait for when Damien will be back. Both Damien and I frequent the irc channel so we will talk , its not a problem.
As I said in my original post I am downloading PharoLauncher from Smalltalkhub links that can be located here
http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher
the link you posted is not contained in there , I used this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Win-Package/lastSuc...
and this
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncherFinalUserImage/lastS...
As I said my problem is on Windows, on MacOS its fine .
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Hmmm that sounds strange (it could be I messed something up) - but did you get your zip file from: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/885/PHARO=30,VERSIO... ??
I just tested that one (but on OSX) and it shows my change as well as templates for Moose 5 and Pharo 4.
Iâve just pushed another change (which would be 886), which also fixes a bug Stef mentioned (if underlying files change, it used to terminate instead of refreshing) - that should build shortly.
However - the links on SmalltalkHub are still pointing to images from Jun (the Hudson jobs arenât triggered automatically it seems) - so I think you might be running something other than what you think you are running.
Anyway - let me know what happens, and Iâll try and talk to Damien (who is on holiday) - and sort it out if Iâve broken it.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:16, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean PharoLauncher cannot download Pharo 4 because it displays no such option. No Moose 5 , etc etc. Its also the old GUI. So this must be the latest version, I am not near my window pc now at work so I will try tomorrow the developer mode to see exactly which version of PharoLauncher it is.
Are you on windows ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
What do you mean by Pharo 4 template? I just made a contribution yesterday - watched it build the new zip file, and I just downloaded that zip and I am seeing a âPharo 4.0 (beta)â template tree?
Just to check you are using the latest version, if you right click on a template and choose âCreate Imageâ - does it prefix the parent of the template to the suggested name (e.g. Pharo 3.0-latest)? (this was the change I made).
It might be worth checking your settings as well (click on the icon lower right) and check that you havenât accidentally unticked the Pharo 4.0 repository.
Tim
On 27 Aug 2014, at 09:28, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I also downloaded the zip file it still does not give me the same version as MacOSX, no Pharo 4 template
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I downloaded PharoLauncher from smalltalkhub for Windows and it appears is not the latest version for example it has no template for downloading Pharo 4.
Are you operating as a Standard(Limited) User ? Sounds like UAC File Virtualization. I got hit by that. I believe that your new PharoLauncher application with Pharo 4 template installed okay, but its being hidden by your virtual copy of the old application. Two checks you can do: 1. Run Launcher as an Administrator and check if you get different tempaltes. 2. Check if you have a folder C:\Users\YOURACCOUNT\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Pharo
The hack fix is to delete that folder.
I believe this problem will only occur if you go into development mode and save the image, however this would be better to avoid this constraint. I see a few options for a permanent solution, but I don't know which is best, so I stalled in implementing it. a. Install VM into C:\Program Files (x86) and Image & Changes files into C:\ProgramData\Pharo b. Install VM into C:\Program Files (x86) and Image & Changes files into C:\Users\YOURACCOUNT\AppData\Roaming\pharo\bin c. Install whole PharoLauncher app only per user (e.g. for "Just Me" ) VM & Image & Changes into folder C:\Users\YOURACCOUNT\AppData\Roaming\pharo\bin d. When run as admin, PharoLauncher Installer puts itself in the machine folderC:\Program Files (x86) and when this is run as a Standard User, it sets up per (b.).
Actually reading around and finding [1], maybe (a.) is best.
[1] http://www.experts-exchange.com/Programming/Installation/Q_28235986.html
Background info...
https://decibel.ni.com/content/groups/windows-7/blog/2009/10/02/uac-virtuali...
http://blogs.technet.com/b/mrsnrub/archive/2010/08/11/uac-virtualization-all...
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/patricka/archive/2009/12/14/tales-of-application-com...
HTH, cheers -ben
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator"
Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually.
I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only.
Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive). However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom. I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it. I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to . /ranting off On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this. I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with. Tim On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote: kilon alios wrote: ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
So I manage to get Launcher running with downloading pharolauncher zip and then downloading pharo 3 and joining the two folders. Launcher now runs but I dont want it to store images in my c drive so I go to preferences and tell it where in my D drive to save images (D:\software\PharoImages) I press enter and I am getting this error WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed: WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: FileSystem>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent: FileSystem>>rename:to: FileReference>>moveTo: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute in Block: [ :child | child moveTo: (self target resolvePath:...etc... Array(SequenceableCollection)>>collect: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>executeOrInform PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>migrateFrom:to: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>location: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>locationString: SettingDeclaration>>realValue: SettingDeclaration>>index: EditableDropListMorph(DropListMorph)>>listSelectionIndex: EditableDropListMorph>>content: PluggableTextFieldMorph>>acceptTextInModel PluggableTextFieldMorph(PluggableTextMorph)>>acceptBasic PluggableTextFieldMorph>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>acceptContents TextEditor>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorph)>>handleKeystroke: KeyboardEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleEvent: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleFocusEvent: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>on:do: On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
Just to check - did you confirm that it worked on your C: drive (Iâm assuming yes - but given youâve had to cobble together a running version, its worth making sure to you have a good baseline). Iâm on OSX but donât have a separate drive - so I havenât notice that (I guess if I plugged in a portable drive, I could try that). Tim On 4 Sep 2014, at 11:15, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
So I manage to get Launcher running with downloading pharolauncher zip and then downloading pharo 3 and joining the two folders. Launcher now runs but I dont want it to store images in my c drive so I go to preferences and tell it where in my D drive to save images (D:\software\PharoImages) I press enter and I am getting this error
WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed: WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: FileSystem>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent: FileSystem>>rename:to: FileReference>>moveTo: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute in Block: [ :child | child moveTo: (self target resolvePath:...etc... Array(SequenceableCollection)>>collect: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>executeOrInform PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>migrateFrom:to: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>location: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>locationString: SettingDeclaration>>realValue: SettingDeclaration>>index: EditableDropListMorph(DropListMorph)>>listSelectionIndex: EditableDropListMorph>>content: PluggableTextFieldMorph>>acceptTextInModel PluggableTextFieldMorph(PluggableTextMorph)>>acceptBasic PluggableTextFieldMorph>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>acceptContents TextEditor>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorph)>>handleKeystroke: KeyboardEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleEvent: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleFocusEvent: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>on:do:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote: kilon alios wrote: ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
yes launcher works fine with C , i am actually using a pharo 3 image with it that I downloaded with pharolauncher.I had so far one windows problem after another, for example I tried to get gitfiletree and for some reason shortcuts dont work so I tried alt+d and ctrl+d to do it , nothing. The Gofer complained that it has no loadStable message while it has so I had to do the cascade one line at a time instead. Etc Etc. Pharo needs definetly more developers on windows side. Its clear that development is unix centered but then the story is the same for most open source projects out there. Looks like windows is extremely popular with users and extremely unpopular with at least open source developers . Do I blame them ? hell no :D On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Just to check - did you confirm that it worked on your C: drive (Iâm assuming yes - but given youâve had to cobble together a running version, its worth making sure to you have a good baseline). Iâm on OSX but donât have a separate drive - so I havenât notice that (I guess if I plugged in a portable drive, I could try that).
Tim
On 4 Sep 2014, at 11:15, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
So I manage to get Launcher running with downloading pharolauncher zip and then downloading pharo 3 and joining the two folders. Launcher now runs but I dont want it to store images in my c drive so I go to preferences and tell it where in my D drive to save images (D:\software\PharoImages) I press enter and I am getting this error
WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed: WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: FileSystem>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent: FileSystem>>rename:to: FileReference>>moveTo: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute in Block: [ :child | child moveTo: (self target resolvePath:...etc... Array(SequenceableCollection)>>collect: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>executeOrInform PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>migrateFrom:to: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>location: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>locationString: SettingDeclaration>>realValue: SettingDeclaration>>index: EditableDropListMorph(DropListMorph)>>listSelectionIndex: EditableDropListMorph>>content: PluggableTextFieldMorph>>acceptTextInModel PluggableTextFieldMorph(PluggableTextMorph)>>acceptBasic PluggableTextFieldMorph>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>acceptContents TextEditor>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorph)>>handleKeystroke: KeyboardEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleEvent: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleFocusEvent: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>on:do:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
Ben you amaze me once more, thank you for the deep insight and I am very glad is not just me. I completely agree with you (b) is the best option, I prefer having things outside VM unless of course is true VM functionality. I may look at VM code in the future too, I think I have done it for squeak. The problem with touching VM code is that may be difficult to know how you will effect the system even if the debugger does not complain. But none the less the knowledge can become handy. On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
I can confirm this behaviour. It looks like FilePlugin cannot 'rename' a folder across drives, although it can rename a file across drives. A hack to demonstrate from Workspace...
filePlugin := FilePluginPrims allInstances first. filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file3.txt'. "-->sucess"
filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder3'. "-->fail"
I think that is more of a design constraint that a bug. VBscript has a similar problem [1]. I cloned Pharo-vm off github and in ".../platforms/wind32/plugins/FilePlugin/sqWin32FilePrims.c" found function sqFileRenameOldSizeNewSize uses win32api function MoveFileW which is documented [2] as "The MoveFile function will move (rename) either a file or a directory (including its children) either in the same directory or across directories. The one caveat is that the MoveFile function will fail on directory moves when the destination is on a different volume."
Unix platforms don't encounter this since all volumes are mounted under one root. (e.g. OSX mounting usb drives under /Volumes). I guess the Unix equivalent might be renaming to folder across network shares, though I'm not familiar with how different OS's handles that.
However we should consider consistency across platforms. Cross volume folder renames could be checked for, and modified to a copy/delete strategy. To state the obvious, the options of where to do this are: a. In PharoLauncher b. In Pharo in WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: c. In VM
Off the cuff, I'd vote for (b.), but others will better idea of the approach to take. Now if indeed a copy/delete fallback strategy is considered beneficial, it would need to consider how timestamps are handled.
[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript/... [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365239(v=vs.85).as...
cheers -ben
btw, Since this was my first time looking a VM code, I'm happy to report it was dead easy to clone pharo-vm from github and review (without yet trying to compile). Actually I cloned on OSX so I could `find` the win32 FilePlugin code.
kilon alios wrote:
So I manage to get Launcher running with downloading pharolauncher zip and then downloading pharo 3 and joining the two folders. Launcher now runs but I dont want it to store images in my c drive so I go to preferences and tell it where in my D drive to save images (D:\software\PharoImages) I press enter and I am getting this error
WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed: WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: FileSystem>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent: FileSystem>>rename:to: FileReference>>moveTo: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute in Block: [ :child | child moveTo: (self target resolvePath:...etc... Array(SequenceableCollection)>>collect: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>executeOrInform PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>migrateFrom:to: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>location: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>locationString: SettingDeclaration>>realValue: SettingDeclaration>>index: EditableDropListMorph(DropListMorph)>>listSelectionIndex: EditableDropListMorph>>content: PluggableTextFieldMorph>>acceptTextInModel PluggableTextFieldMorph(PluggableTextMorph)>>acceptBasic PluggableTextFieldMorph>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>acceptContents TextEditor>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorph)>>handleKeystroke: KeyboardEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleEvent: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleFocusEvent: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>on:do:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
Agreed - Ben you are inspiring all of us. Thanks! Tim Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Sep 2014, at 06:44 pm, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Ben you amaze me once more, thank you for the deep insight and I am very glad is not just me. I completely agree with you (b) is the best option, I prefer having things outside VM unless of course is true VM functionality. I may look at VM code in the future too, I think I have done it for squeak. The problem with touching VM code is that may be difficult to know how you will effect the system even if the debugger does not complain. But none the less the knowledge can become handy.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote: I can confirm this behaviour. It looks like FilePlugin cannot 'rename' a folder across drives, although it can rename a file across drives. A hack to demonstrate from Workspace...
filePlugin := FilePluginPrims allInstances first. filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file3.txt'. "-->sucess"
filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder3'. "-->fail"
I think that is more of a design constraint that a bug. VBscript has a similar problem [1]. I cloned Pharo-vm off github and in ".../platforms/wind32/plugins/FilePlugin/sqWin32FilePrims.c" found function sqFileRenameOldSizeNewSize uses win32api function MoveFileW which is documented [2] as "The MoveFile function will move (rename) either a file or a directory (including its children) either in the same directory or across directories. The one caveat is that the MoveFile function will fail on directory moves when the destination is on a different volume."
Unix platforms don't encounter this since all volumes are mounted under one root. (e.g. OSX mounting usb drives under /Volumes). I guess the Unix equivalent might be renaming to folder across network shares, though I'm not familiar with how different OS's handles that.
However we should consider consistency across platforms. Cross volume folder renames could be checked for, and modified to a copy/delete strategy. To state the obvious, the options of where to do this are: a. In PharoLauncher b. In Pharo in WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: c. In VM
Off the cuff, I'd vote for (b.), but others will better idea of the approach to take. Now if indeed a copy/delete fallback strategy is considered beneficial, it would need to consider how timestamps are handled.
[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript/... [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365239(v=vs.85).as...
cheers -ben
btw, Since this was my first time looking a VM code, I'm happy to report it was dead easy to clone pharo-vm from github and review (without yet trying to compile). Actually I cloned on OSX so I could `find` the win32 FilePlugin code.
kilon alios wrote:
So I manage to get Launcher running with downloading pharolauncher zip and then downloading pharo 3 and joining the two folders. Launcher now runs but I dont want it to store images in my c drive so I go to preferences and tell it where in my D drive to save images (D:\software\PharoImages) I press enter and I am getting this error
WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed: WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: FileSystem>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent: FileSystem>>rename:to: FileReference>>moveTo: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute in Block: [ :child | child moveTo: (self target resolvePath:...etc... Array(SequenceableCollection)>>collect: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>executeOrInform PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>migrateFrom:to: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>location: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>locationString: SettingDeclaration>>realValue: SettingDeclaration>>index: EditableDropListMorph(DropListMorph)>>listSelectionIndex: EditableDropListMorph>>content: PluggableTextFieldMorph>>acceptTextInModel PluggableTextFieldMorph(PluggableTextMorph)>>acceptBasic PluggableTextFieldMorph>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>acceptContents TextEditor>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorph)>>handleKeystroke: KeyboardEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleEvent: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleFocusEvent: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>on:do:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote: I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote: kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
2014-09-04 18:53 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
I can confirm this behaviour. It looks like FilePlugin cannot 'rename' a folder across drives, although it can rename a file across drives. A hack to demonstrate from Workspace...
filePlugin := FilePluginPrims allInstances first. filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file3.txt'. "-->sucess"
filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder3'. "-->fail"
I think that is more of a design constraint that a bug. VBscript has a similar problem [1]. I cloned Pharo-vm off github and in ".../platforms/wind32/plugins/FilePlugin/sqWin32FilePrims.c" found function sqFileRenameOldSizeNewSize uses win32api function MoveFileW which is documented [2] as "The MoveFile function will move (rename) either a file or a directory (including its children) either in the same directory or across directories. The one caveat is that the MoveFile function will fail on directory moves when the destination is on a different volume."
Unix platforms don't encounter this since all volumes are mounted under one root. (e.g. OSX mounting usb drives under /Volumes). I guess the Unix equivalent might be renaming to folder across network shares, though I'm not familiar with how different OS's handles that.
No, there is a similiar limitation on linux as well. Even if all directories are under a common root dir, moving files across different harddisks/partitions doesn't work: 12992 Cannot move files to another volume / partition under linux <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?12992> unix/linux vm uses the system library call rename() for moving files but this function (http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Renaming-Files.html) results in an error EXDEV 'Invalid cross-device link' if the two file names newname and oldname are on different file systems.
However we should consider consistency across platforms. Cross volume folder renames could be checked for, and modified to a copy/delete strategy. To state the obvious, the options of where to do this are: a. In PharoLauncher b. In Pharo in WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: c. In VM
Off the cuff, I'd vote for (b.), but others will better idea of the approach to take. Now if indeed a copy/delete fallback strategy is considered beneficial, it would need to consider how timestamps are handled.
[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript/... [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365239(v=vs.85).as...
cheers -ben
btw, Since this was my first time looking a VM code, I'm happy to report it was dead easy to clone pharo-vm from github and review (without yet trying to compile). Actually I cloned on OSX so I could `find` the win32 FilePlugin code.
kilon alios wrote:
So I manage to get Launcher running with downloading pharolauncher zip and then downloading pharo 3 and joining the two folders. Launcher now runs but I dont want it to store images in my c drive so I go to preferences and tell it where in my D drive to save images (D:\software\PharoImages) I press enter and I am getting this error
WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed: WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: FileSystem>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent: FileSystem>>rename:to: FileReference>>moveTo: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute in Block: [ :child | child moveTo: (self target resolvePath:...etc... Array(SequenceableCollection)>>collect: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>executeOrInform PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>migrateFrom:to: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>location: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>locationString: SettingDeclaration>>realValue: SettingDeclaration>>index: EditableDropListMorph(DropListMorph)>>listSelectionIndex: EditableDropListMorph>>content: PluggableTextFieldMorph>>acceptTextInModel PluggableTextFieldMorph(PluggableTextMorph)>>acceptBasic PluggableTextFieldMorph>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>acceptContents TextEditor>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorph)>>handleKeystroke: KeyboardEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleEvent: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleFocusEvent: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>on:do:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
2014-09-05 3:01 GMT+02:00 <btc@openinworld.com>:
Nicolai Hess wrote:
2014-09-04 18:53 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com>:
I can confirm this behaviour. It looks like FilePlugin cannot 'rename' a folder across drives, although it can rename a file across drives. A hack to demonstrate from Workspace...
filePlugin := FilePluginPrims allInstances first. filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\file1.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file2.txt'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\file2.txt' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\file3.txt'. "-->sucess"
filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder1' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder2'. "-->sucess" filePlugin rename: 'C:\Temp\Test\folder2' to: 'E:\Temp\Test\folder3'. "-->fail"
I think that is more of a design constraint that a bug. VBscript has a similar problem [1]. I cloned Pharo-vm off github and in ".../platforms/wind32/plugins/FilePlugin/sqWin32FilePrims.c" found function sqFileRenameOldSizeNewSize uses win32api function MoveFileW which is documented [2] as "The MoveFile function will move (rename) either a file or a directory (including its children) either in the same directory or across directories. The one caveat is that the MoveFile function will fail on directory moves when the destination is on a different volume."
Unix platforms don't encounter this since all volumes are mounted under one root. (e.g. OSX mounting usb drives under /Volumes). I guess the Unix equivalent might be renaming to folder across network shares, though I'm not familiar with how different OS's handles that.
No, there is a similiar limitation on linux as well. Even if all directories are under a common root dir, moving files across different harddisks/partitions doesn't work:
12992 Cannot move files to another volume / partition under linux <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?12992>
unix/linux vm uses the system library call rename() for moving files but this function (http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Renaming-Files.html) results in an error EXDEV 'Invalid cross-device link' if the two file names newname and oldname are on different file systems.
Thanks Nicolas. So given that its similar across platforms and reflects the system-level semantics, probably we should not change its behaviour, and handle this case at the PharoLauncher level.
No. Why? It is still an error that we can not "move" a file. On windows and Unix you can "move" a file, of course. Commandline tools like /bin/mv for example will do a "copy to destination - delete from source" if "rename" does not work. nicolai
However it would be useful in Image to get something like an 'InvalidCrossVolume' exception. I'm not sure off-hand how to approach that.
cheers -ben
However we should consider consistency across platforms. Cross volume folder renames could be checked for, and modified to a copy/delete strategy. To state the obvious, the options of where to do this are: a. In PharoLauncher b. In Pharo in WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: c. In VM
Off the cuff, I'd vote for (b.), but others will better idea of the approach to take. Now if indeed a copy/delete fallback strategy is considered beneficial, it would need to consider how timestamps are
led.
[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.scripting.vbscript/... [2] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365239(v=vs.85).as...
cheers -ben
btw, Since this was my first time looking a VM code, I'm happy to report it was dead easy to clone pharo-vm from github and review (without yet trying to compile). Actually I cloned on OSX so I could `find` the win32 FilePlugin code.
kilon alios wrote:
So I manage to get Launcher running with downloading pharolauncher zip and then downloading pharo 3 and joining the two folders. Launcher now runs but I dont want it to store images in my c drive so I go to preferences and tell it where in my D drive to save images (D:\software\PharoImages) I press enter and I am getting this error
WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed: WindowsStore(Object)>>primitiveFailed WindowsStore(FileSystemStore)>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent:fileSystem: FileSystem>>rename:ifAbsent:to:ifPresent: FileSystem>>rename:to: FileReference>>moveTo: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute in Block: [ :child | child moveTo: (self target resolvePath:...etc... Array(SequenceableCollection)>>collect: PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>execute PhLRelocateImageDirectoryCommand>>executeOrInform PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>migrateFrom:to: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>location: PhLDirectoryBasedImageRepository class>>locationString: SettingDeclaration>>realValue: SettingDeclaration>>index: EditableDropListMorph(DropListMorph)>>listSelectionIndex: EditableDropListMorph>>content: PluggableTextFieldMorph>>acceptTextInModel PluggableTextFieldMorph(PluggableTextMorph)>>acceptBasic PluggableTextFieldMorph>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>acceptContents TextEditor>>accept TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorphForEditView)>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView>>keyStroke: TextMorphForFieldView(TextMorph)>>handleKeystroke: KeyboardEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleEvent: TextMorphForFieldView(Morph)>>handleFocusEvent: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: in Block: [ ... BlockClosure>>on:do:
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:06 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not back to my work pc, so if you have any ideas how to proceed I am open to suggestions.
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote:
Kilon - it would be good if we could percevear to try and get a fix and detailed instructions for other less confident users⦠At least test Benâs updated installer so we can clear this.
I appreciate the aggravation you are putting up with.
Tim
On 28 Aug 2014, at 10:35, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
My work pc is dual boot to ubuntu and win 7 . I am not a fan of linux either, loads of problems there but nowhere near as bad as windoom.
I need windoom because of a Greek OCR I use at work to scan legal documents. I have no choice other than to continue using it.
I dont care what the corporate world does or the fact that almost 100% of my fellow lawyers use windoom and some still DOS. Thats their problem :D
It would be nice to support what 95% of people use out there, but alas I cant take it anymore. Coding should be fun, Windoom kills my inner child. Sorry for those that have to tolerate this crap, but I am lucky enough not to .
/ranting off
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
kilon alios wrote:
ok thing get worse and worse
I try to run pharo as administrator and pharo opens and exits immediately , it creates a stderr which contains the following
I found the folder you mentioned and I deleted it , now pharo does not open at all even when run without "run as administrator" Boy I hate Windoom. I also tried Tim link , nothing, pharo opens but does nothing, no gui, nothing. I know it opens because i can see its process in the task manager which i have to terminate manually. I do all my coding and art on macos, I only have windows at work so i can test my code on windoom too, but this was the last straw, I had enough with this uber crappy OS for 17 years now. I am dropping support for it and sticking to MacOS only. Thanks guys for your help but it does not worth it. I hope no other windows user experience my problem.
I empathize. I've been a Linux advocate for years, but never made the full desktop switch since I needed a Windows system for corporate compatibility. Then I got a mac-mini to experiment with iPad Mobile Device Management, and found it easier to get Latex working on it than on Windows (for processing Pillar output), and now I find myself using it for Pharo more every day, and my Windows box is starting to be neglected (except I still need to migrate my old Thunderbird email archive).
However success in the corporate world still hinges a lot on Windows compatibility. I will still have a go at updating PharoLauncher Installer to avoid this problem. cheers, Ben
P.S. @Tim, Your alternate-VM feature sound interesting. I'll check it out.
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