Is Pharo spying on me?
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off? Bernhard
Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal. Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case. Kind Regards, Sean Glazier On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote:
Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
I understand it. For that reason there are settings. Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 17:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com <mailto:bernhard@pieber.com>> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
anyway *no data is collected without asking first* I demanded that and if someone sneaked in without permission, I will be very very upset. Esteban
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:39, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote:
I understand it. For that reason there are settings.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 17:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com <mailto:sglazier456@gmail.com>> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com <mailto:bernhard@pieber.com>> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
Hi, Indeed privacy is an important issue. When we introduced the collection of data in Spotter we made sure that: - the collection of data is off by default - you are asked explicitly to turn it on - and, even when you send the data, you are sending technical tool data or at most, anonymized data. In other words, we want people to send data, but they should be in control and sending data should always be an opt-in and as transparent as possible. Right now, there is a central Privacy setting holder that is being used to guard the usage of the GTEventRecorder. To check that this is the case, take a look at the result of this query: (SystemNavigation new allReferencesTo: GTEventRecorder binding) \ (SystemNavigation new allReferencesTo: Privacy binding) ==> GtExamplesReleaseTest>>#testAllMissingInternalExamples GTEventRecorderHelp class>>#client GTEventRecorderTest>>#setUp GTEventCollector>>#register These are only test, help and registration methods, which are fine. We should make a QA rule out of this. In the future, we would like to work on a more obvious signal that data is being collected. Cheers, Doru
On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:43 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
anyway *no data is collected without asking first*
I demanded that and if someone sneaked in without permission, I will be very very upset.
Esteban
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:39, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote:
I understand it. For that reason there are settings.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 17:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Value is always contextual."
On 6 December 2017 at 04:43, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
anyway *no data is collected without asking first*
I demanded that and if someone sneaked in without permission, I will be very very upset.
+10^10 Thx Esteban. Its good to know you champion this. No need to panic, but its easy to get complacent on this. Of course researcher's *need* data and know themselves to be trustworthy But even with the best intentions, its not just about "doing the right thing", but "being seen to do the right thing". Credibility is hard to earn and easy to destroy. Some people are overly sensitive about this... ;-) "How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did" * https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how- target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her- father-did/#4cee9cb66668 Having a setting to enable this buried deep in Settings is probably not ideal. Such a setting *must* be off-by-default, even though I'm personally happy to enable i, I'm not so enthusiastic to go to the trouble navigating to Settings to enable it each time I start a new image. Perhaps the Welcome window should have a Privacy tab describing what data is being gathered by who, with a tick box there to enable it. I'd probably enable it more often if it was only two clicks away. cheers -ben
Esteban
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:39, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote:
I understand it. For that reason there are settings.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 17:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote:
Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
but you are asked to share it, this is not collected automatically without asking before. anyway, we are removing that (if not removed yet)
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com <mailto:bernhard@pieber.com>> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
Hi, What exactly are we removing? Cheers, Doru
On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
but you are asked to share it, this is not collected automatically without asking before.
anyway, we are removing that (if not removed yet)
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her."
On 6 Dec 2017, at 07:12, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
What exactly are we removing?
shoreline and QA. both phd are finished :) Esteban
Cheers, Doru
On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
but you are asked to share it, this is not collected automatically without asking before.
anyway, we are removing that (if not removed yet)
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com
"Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her."
ShoreLIne is already removed from Pharo 7 -- Pavel 2017-12-06 10:43 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>:
On 6 Dec 2017, at 07:12, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
What exactly are we removing?
shoreline and QA. both phd are finished :)
Esteban
Cheers, Doru
On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>
wrote:
but you are asked to share it, this is not collected automatically
without asking before.
anyway, we are removing that (if not removed yet)
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be
allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <
juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote:
Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com
"Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her."
Now people can load shoreLine. We want to make sure that we lower the load. I would like for example to have the excellent tool of yuriy to understand variables of RB pattern matcher in the image. Stef On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uhnak@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek@gmail.com> wrote:
ShoreLIne is already removed from Pharo 7
-- Pavel
Good to know since I've just started using it. :)
I understand that ShoreLine is removed in Pharo 7. But why do we want to remove Quality Assistant? Are we not interested in code quality anymore? We can currently use it to display code problems in Nautilus and AFAIK also Calypso shows the code problems. Or did I miss something? Thanks T.
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. Dezember 2017 um 10:43 Uhr Von: "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm@gmail.com> An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] Is Pharo spying on me?
On 6 Dec 2017, at 07:12, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
What exactly are we removing?
shoreline and QA. both phd are finished :)
Esteban
Cheers, Doru
On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
but you are asked to share it, this is not collected automatically without asking before.
anyway, we are removing that (if not removed yet)
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com
"Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her."
On 6 Dec 2017, at 11:11, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
I understand that ShoreLine is removed in Pharo 7.
But why do we want to remove Quality Assistant? Are we not interested in code quality anymore?
we are not removing QA we are removing QA reporting issues to Yuriy Esteban
We can currently use it to display code problems in Nautilus and AFAIK also Calypso shows the code problems.
Or did I miss something?
Thanks T.
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 06. Dezember 2017 um 10:43 Uhr Von: "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm@gmail.com> An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] Is Pharo spying on me?
On 6 Dec 2017, at 07:12, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Hi,
What exactly are we removing?
shoreline and QA. both phd are finished :)
Esteban
Cheers, Doru
On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
but you are asked to share it, this is not collected automatically without asking before.
anyway, we are removing that (if not removed yet)
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
Kind Regards,
Sean Glazier
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com
"Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her."
Let's not panic here! Funny to see people worry so much about privacy from a tool that collects technical data anonymously when a gazillion agencies (especially NSA) keep track of every email and phone call we do!!!  ----------------- Benoît St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) From: Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Is Pharo spying on me? Hi, What exactly are we removing? Cheers, Doru
On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:41 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
but you are asked to share it, this is not collected automatically without asking before.
anyway, we are removing that (if not removed yet)
On 5 Dec 2017, at 21:34, Sean Glazier <sglazier456@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I know of work places where this is not going to be allowed. I understand they need the data, but you need to be able to turn it off. A secure facility would not allow the transmission out in any case.
 Kind Regards,  Sean Glazier Â
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> wrote: Check Privacy section in Settings Browser. If you ever send anything, data are anonymized. Developers use it to be able to evaluate their research (PhD) work. It is a requirement in the research field. By sending the anonymized data, you help developers to understand how their tools are used. In particular, I am aware of Spotter, Quality Assistant, GT tools, and Roassal.
Cheers, Juraj
On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:30, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com> wrote:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
Bernhard
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Next time you see your life passing by, say 'hi' and get to know her." | | Virus-free. www.avg.com |
2017-12-05 20:30 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Pieber <bernhard@pieber.com>:
I just found a file named org.pharo.global-identifiers.ston in my preferences folder. It contains a #secretUUID and a #computerUUID. :-( What is this information used for? More importantly, how can I turn it off?
There is nothing evil on it. It is used for resolving if the preferences should be reloaded. See SystemSettingsPersistence class>>#resumeSystemSettings -- Pavel
Bernhard
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