Re: [Pharo-project] PluggableTextMorph changed behavior
PS: note that we are not waiting for Spoon. We are building our system and slowly but steadily arriving there. We are working step by step on making the system more modular and easier to change. We hope to have a bootstrap soon.
That said, I of course like Spoon... lots of good ideas and it *is* interesting. And in additon, there was lots of progress recently! I just have a bit of an aversion from 10 years of Squeak to a one line answer like we saw... "X will solve this", when X is something somehow in the future that requires effort not just to get a community to really absorb and integrate, but especially really replace the existing infrastructure in practice. And especially I am sceptical when it's a one person project (regardless how great that person is or how I respect him/her). There where a lot of different X over the years... This was especially apparent in Squeak at the point when the reality against these grandiose "X will solve everything" was that it was in practice impossible for the community to even change a typo in a comment... This does say nothing about the Xses... they where great. The people driving the Xses: very good, some geniuses even. That's why everyone was so excited. But what came out: nothing. In the end the story of Squeak is amazing in how little was accomplished considering the amount of talent, founding, time and energy. And I don't completely understand why even today. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
There are Xes all over the map. What is needed for getting Xes to last is money for funding maintenance, growth,and marketing (and preferably a market). And some benevolent dictatorship. (A reason why I got my own business since 2000.) Java has got that right I think. Not that we want another 21st century COBOL ;-) Philippe 2012/4/1 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>
PS: note that we are not waiting for Spoon. We are building our system
and slowly but steadily
arriving there. We are working step by step on making the system more modular and easier to change. We hope to have a bootstrap soon.
That said, I of course like Spoon... lots of good ideas and it *is* interesting. And in additon, there was lots of progress recently!
I just have a bit of an aversion from 10 years of Squeak to a one line answer like we saw... "X will solve this", when X is something somehow in the future that requires effort not just to get a community to really absorb and integrate, but especially really replace the existing infrastructure in practice. And especially I am sceptical when it's a one person project (regardless how great that person is or how I respect him/her).
There where a lot of different X over the years...
This was especially apparent in Squeak at the point when the reality against these grandiose "X will solve everything" was that it was in practice impossible for the community to even change a typo in a comment...
This does say nothing about the Xses... they where great. The people driving the Xses: very good, some geniuses even. That's why everyone was so excited.
But what came out: nothing.
In the end the story of Squeak is amazing in how little was accomplished considering the amount of talent, founding, time and energy.
And I don't completely understand why even today.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
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