Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: iPhone OS 4 SDK, section 3.3.1
Yes extremely sad. I imagine that you saw my mail on esug-list. On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?
Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipadi...
Cheers, - Andreas
Oh! How silly then can be!
:( Juan Vuletich
Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code from the internet and runs it. - Bert - On 15.04.2010, at 21:20, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@free.fr> wrote:
Yes extremely sad. I imagine that you saw my mail on esug-list.
On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?
Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipadi...
Cheers, - Andreas
Oh! How silly then can be!
:( Juan Vuletich
Thanks for the info. But let us see because we do not know if a squeak-vm is an C or smalltalk app. Stef
Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code from the internet and runs it.
- Bert -
On 15.04.2010, at 21:20, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@free.fr> wrote:
Yes extremely sad. I imagine that you saw my mail on esug-list.
On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?
Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipadi...
Cheers, - Andreas
Oh! How silly then can be!
:( Juan Vuletich
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IIUC it doesn't matter because one of the other prohibitions of the section 3.3.1 is the use of 'foreign runtimes' so any interpreted language that they've not listed is out... Em 15/04/2010 17:11, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr > escreveu: Thanks for the info. But let us see because we do not know if a squeak-vm is an C or smalltalk app. Stef
Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code from the internet and runs it.
- Bert -
On 15.04.2010, at 21:20, stephane ducasse wrote:
Yes extremely sad. I imagine that you saw my mail on esug-list.
On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?
Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipadi...
Cheers, - Andreas
Oh! How silly then can be!
:( Juan Vuletich
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Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code from the internet and runs it.
- Bert -
AH, if that is the case, then there is hope. If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented... Lawson
On 15.04.2010, at 22:11, Lawson English wrote:
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Not to defend Apple's hubris or anything, but John's other apps written in Squeak are still in the store. Scratch was not taken down because it is implemented in Squeak, but because it downloads code from the internet and runs it.
- Bert -
AH, if that is the case, then there is hope. If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented...
Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download. Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple). In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image". - Bert -
AH, if that is the case, then there is hope. If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented...
Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download.
Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple).
In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image".
This is exactly what I was wondering... What is a C application nowadays :) Still I think that the message from apple is blurring their image. Stef
This was a clever reply on the matter http://pluggio.com/blog/?p=244 Also... congratulations for the release guys ! -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: 15 April 2010 21:37 To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] iPhone OS 4 SDK, section 3.3.1
AH, if that is the case, then there is hope. If you could modify things so that only the official site could supply "content" then perhaps the policy can be circumvented...
Not really. Apple wants to ensure that the behavior they test is the same as the behavior the users see. So no "active content" download.
Typical apps do not download code, they are only updated when a new version gets released (and each new version is tested again by Apple).
In that sense John's other apps are fine, they are just an executable written in a mix of C and Objective-C, plus a fixed datafile we usually call "image".
This is exactly what I was wondering... What is a C application nowadays :) Still I think that the message from apple is blurring their image. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email.
Speaking of esug-list... I was trying to find the thread discussing this but don't see any browsable archives since January. I was looking at http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list/ Thanks, Phil On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, stephane ducasse wrote:
Yes extremely sad. I imagine that you saw my mail on esug-list.
On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?
Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipadi...
Cheers, - Andreas
Oh! How silly then can be!
:( Juan Vuletich
Phil, you can try http://n4.nabble.com/ESUG-f1589038.html Phil (list) wrote:
Speaking of esug-list... I was trying to find the thread discussing this but don't see any browsable archives since January. I was looking at http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list/
Thanks, Phil
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Stan, Perfect... that works for me. Thanks, Phil On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Stan Shepherd wrote:
Phil, you can try http://n4.nabble.com/ESUG-f1589038.html
Phil (list) wrote:
Speaking of esug-list... I was trying to find the thread discussing this but don't see any browsable archives since January. I was looking at http://lists.esug.org/pipermail/esug-list/
Thanks, Phil
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Bert Freudenberg -
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Phil (list) -
Ramiro Diaz Trepat -
Stan Shepherd -
stephane ducasse -
Stéphane Ducasse