[Pharo-project] Pharo name conflict
Hi, I don't intend to cause a big fuss, but I have a concern about the name of your project. I first became aware of your project yesterday when I ran a Google search for the word "pharo". This is the name I had chosen for my open source PHP framework project back in January of 2008. At the time, the Smalltalk-related Pharo project did not yet exist, and the Google search results yielded nothing at all similar or relevant to the project I wanted to start. I purchased pharo.org that month (with trac.pharo.org, svn.pharo.org, and apt-trunk.pharo.org currently in active use) and made a teaser post about the project on my blog: http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/01/15/the-pyramids-werent-built-in-a-d... My intention is to release the Pharo PHP framework under a BSD license and not profit directly from the project. I have no stakes in preserving the exclusiveness of the "Pharo" name aside from avoiding possible confusion. But I do believe that the name conflict is an issue of concern, since both of our projects are directly related to programming languages.
2009/1/15 David Hammond <dhammond@webdevout.net>:
Hi, I don't intend to cause a big fuss, but I have a concern about the name of your project.
I first became aware of your project yesterday when I ran a Google search for the word "pharo". This is the name I had chosen for my open source PHP framework project back in January of 2008. At the time, the Smalltalk-related Pharo project did not yet exist, and the Google search results yielded nothing at all similar or relevant to the project I wanted to start. I purchased pharo.org that month (with trac.pharo.org, svn.pharo.org, and apt-trunk.pharo.org currently in active use) and made a teaser post about the project on my blog: http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/01/15/the-pyramids-werent-built-in-a-d...
My intention is to release the Pharo PHP framework under a BSD license and not profit directly from the project. I have no stakes in preserving the exclusiveness of the "Pharo" name aside from avoiding possible confusion. But I do believe that the name conflict is an issue of concern, since both of our projects are directly related to programming languages.
Hum, yes a bit annoying. Thank you David for your report. The name Pharo was selected at the end of april 2008/beginning of May 2008. Look here in this old archive : http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/sapphire-devl/2008-May/thread.html I think that the two Pharos are sufficiently distinct not to confuse them. Maybe we could rename our Pharo to "Pharo Smalltalk" and yours "Pharo PHP Web framework" ? BTW, you could use Seaside (http://seaside.st) to switch to Pharo Smalltalk in order to implement Pharo framework ;-) -- Serge Stinckwich IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/
Hi david We already communicated a lot on this project such as major conferences in our field (www.esug.org). Seaside (http://www.seaside.st) is developed using it and will start to communicate on that too. When we check in may it was clear that there was no other projects around and pharo is close to french so we expected that nobody else would take that name :) Now we got a professional designer for our logo and invested a lot in it. We will have two or three books coming out around Pharo and our community is active and growing. It also is a strong symbol for us. So we will stick with our name. Stef On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:56 AM, David Hammond wrote:
Hi, I don't intend to cause a big fuss, but I have a concern about the name of your project.
I first became aware of your project yesterday when I ran a Google search for the word "pharo". This is the name I had chosen for my open source PHP framework project back in January of 2008. At the time, the Smalltalk-related Pharo project did not yet exist, and the Google search results yielded nothing at all similar or relevant to the project I wanted to start. I purchased pharo.org that month (with trac.pharo.org, svn.pharo.org, and apt-trunk.pharo.org currently in active use) and made a teaser post about the project on my blog: http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/01/15/the-pyramids-werent-built-in-a-d...
My intention is to release the Pharo PHP framework under a BSD license and not profit directly from the project. I have no stakes in preserving the exclusiveness of the "Pharo" name aside from avoiding possible confusion. But I do believe that the name conflict is an issue of concern, since both of our projects are directly related to programming languages.
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Hi David, yes, that is unfortunate that we chose the same name around the same time and both projects are already well known enough to not easily switch names. But, as others already said, the projects are sufficiently different to not be confused easily. Maybe we could cross-link on the sites? "if you are looking for the PHP Pharo project go here" and vice versa? Michael On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi david
We already communicated a lot on this project such as major conferences in our field (www.esug.org). Seaside (http://www.seaside.st) is developed using it and will start to communicate on that too. When we check in may it was clear that there was no other projects around and pharo is close to french so we expected that nobody else would take that name :) Now we got a professional designer for our logo and invested a lot in it. We will have two or three books coming out around Pharo and our community is active and growing. It also is a strong symbol for us. So we will stick with our name.
Stef
On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:56 AM, David Hammond wrote:
Hi, I don't intend to cause a big fuss, but I have a concern about the name of your project.
I first became aware of your project yesterday when I ran a Google search for the word "pharo". This is the name I had chosen for my open source PHP framework project back in January of 2008. At the time, the Smalltalk-related Pharo project did not yet exist, and the Google search results yielded nothing at all similar or relevant to the project I wanted to start. I purchased pharo.org that month (with trac.pharo.org, svn.pharo.org, and apt-trunk.pharo.org currently in active use) and made a teaser post about the project on my blog: http://www.webdevout.net/tidings/2008/01/15/the-pyramids-werent-built-in-a-d...
My intention is to release the Pharo PHP framework under a BSD license and not profit directly from the project. I have no stakes in preserving the exclusiveness of the "Pharo" name aside from avoiding possible confusion. But I do believe that the name conflict is an issue of concern, since both of our projects are directly related to programming languages.
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger@acm.org> wrote:
yes, that is unfortunate that we chose the same name around the same time and both projects are already well known enough to not easily switch names. But, as others already said, the projects are sufficiently different to not be confused easily.
Maybe we could cross-link on the sites? "if you are looking for the PHP Pharo project go here" and vice versa?
What about http://code.google.com/p/pharo/? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
we keep it :)
yes, that is unfortunate that we chose the same name around the same time and both projects are already well known enough to not easily switch names. But, as others already said, the projects are sufficiently different to not be confused easily.
Maybe we could cross-link on the sites? "if you are looking for the PHP Pharo project go here" and vice versa?
What about http://code.google.com/p/pharo/?
Damien Cassou wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger@acm.org> wrote:
yes, that is unfortunate that we chose the same name around the same time and both projects are already well known enough to not easily switch names. But, as others already said, the projects are sufficiently different to not be confused easily.
Maybe we could cross-link on the sites? "if you are looking for the PHP Pharo project go here" and vice versa?
What about http://code.google.com/p/pharo/?
Looks good to me :-) Michael
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
we keep it :)
I think Damien was referring to the cross link :-) Michael
yes, that is unfortunate that we chose the same name around the same time and both projects are already well known enough to not easily switch names. But, as others already said, the projects are sufficiently different to not be confused easily.
Maybe we could cross-link on the sites? "if you are looking for the PHP Pharo project go here" and vice versa? What about http://code.google.com/p/pharo/?
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I wish both projects a big success, so everyone will aware of both of them and no more confused. :) 2009/1/15 Michael Rueger <m.rueger@acm.org>:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
we keep it :)
I think Damien was referring to the cross link :-)
Michael
yes, that is unfortunate that we chose the same name around the same time and both projects are already well known enough to not easily switch names. But, as others already said, the projects are sufficiently different to not be confused easily.
Maybe we could cross-link on the sites? "if you are looking for the PHP Pharo project go here" and vice versa? What about http://code.google.com/p/pharo/?
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