[Pharo-project] Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder ??
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository. Cheers Mariano
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Yes please, kill that crap. There seem to be a couple of references though. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Lukas Renggli <renggli@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Yes please, kill that crap.
hahaha
There seem to be a couple of references though.
yes, I saw them. That's why I asked if it was worth to do it or not...spend time looking how to solve those references. Cheers Mariano
Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
On Mar 17, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Yes please, kill that crap.
Haha! This is why Pharo is going in the right direction! Keep up the good work of cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, harvesting good ideas and making the system better. A friend of mine who worked with Squeak several years ago just a few days ago was looking at the object model in Pharo and said "Wow! That is so much cleaner and easier to look through now!" These are worthy directions that we go in. Thanks Stef, Lukas, Alexandre, Mariano, Doru, Marcus, Torsten, Henrik, Sig, Damien, etc, etc, etc... - Brian
There seem to be a couple of references though.
Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Thanks Brian. Brian you know we are not against Squeak. We are for beauty and quality. :) (I always liked etoys but hated its implementation). So welcomed on pharo. Now I said that I will not be negative against squeak and I will apply my resolution (which is easy because I cleaned some of my rancor recently - I have a red pill for those interested :)) I think that if Squeak would build the next century multimedia system I would be **really** happy. Now if they would build it on take pharocore as a core then we could join forced. I do not say that for my ego or for the fame of Pharo but more in regards to people such as nicolas that published in both communities. Now we know where pharo is heading but this is not clear for Squeak. May be they like that (no pun) and this is good for them, this is ok too. Now if they would take the Multimedia space and make it excellent (I men truly excellent, clean and lean code), good abstraction (cairo, pango....) then we would be in a win-win situation. We could focus on the infrastructure and they would be the sexy Squeak. But for this to happen people should decide to do it and accept that they are not alone. Stef
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Yes please, kill that crap.
Haha! This is why Pharo is going in the right direction! Keep up the good work of cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, harvesting good ideas and making the system better.
A friend of mine who worked with Squeak several years ago just a few days ago was looking at the object model in Pharo and said "Wow! That is so much cleaner and easier to look through now!"
These are worthy directions that we go in. Thanks Stef, Lukas, Alexandre, Mariano, Doru, Marcus, Torsten, Henrik, Sig, Damien, etc, etc, etc...
- Brian
There seem to be a couple of references though.
Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Very well said Stef Alexandre On 17 Mar 2010, at 13:54, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Thanks Brian. Brian you know we are not against Squeak. We are for beauty and quality. :) (I always liked etoys but hated its implementation). So welcomed on pharo.
Now I said that I will not be negative against squeak and I will apply my resolution (which is easy because I cleaned some of my rancor recently - I have a red pill for those interested :))
I think that if Squeak would build the next century multimedia system I would be **really** happy. Now if they would build it on take pharocore as a core then we could join forced. I do not say that for my ego or for the fame of Pharo but more in regards to people such as nicolas that published in both communities.
Now we know where pharo is heading but this is not clear for Squeak. May be they like that (no pun) and this is good for them, this is ok too. Now if they would take the Multimedia space and make it excellent (I men truly excellent, clean and lean code), good abstraction (cairo, pango....) then we would be in a win-win situation. We could focus on the infrastructure and they would be the sexy Squeak. But for this to happen people should decide to do it and accept that they are not alone.
Stef
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Yes please, kill that crap.
Haha! This is why Pharo is going in the right direction! Keep up the good work of cleaning, cleaning, cleaning, harvesting good ideas and making the system better.
A friend of mine who worked with Squeak several years ago just a few days ago was looking at the object model in Pharo and said "Wow! That is so much cleaner and easier to look through now!"
These are worthy directions that we go in. Thanks Stef, Lukas, Alexandre, Mariano, Doru, Marcus, Torsten, Henrik, Sig, Damien, etc, etc, etc...
- Brian
There seem to be a couple of references though.
Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
Yessssssssssss.. Please 2010/3/17 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Cheers
Mariano
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
+ 1! Even with a bit of nostalgia :) But this is the way to go. Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in. Stef On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Cheers
Mariano _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
+ 1! Even with a bit of nostalgia :)
Nostalgia ??? what's that ? ;) It is not nostalgia as it was the first time I saw them :) In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also. In Inbox: Name: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.2 Author: MarianoMartinezPeck Time: 18 March 2010, 5:50:39 pm UUID: 358400a8-d2c1-4688-8df2-4054d93f5e44 Ancestors: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.1 Dependencies: Graphics-MarianoMartinezPeck.220, Kernel-MarianoMartinezPeck.622, Morphic-MarianoMartinezPeck.551, System-MarianoMartinezPeck.16, System-Support-MarianoMartinezPeck.265 Fix to issue 2163. Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder. In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.
But this is the way to go. Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in.
Stef
On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Cheers
Mariano _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: + 1! Even with a bit of nostalgia :)
Nostalgia ??? what's that ? ;) It is not nostalgia as it was the first time I saw them :)
In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also. In Inbox:
Name: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.2 Author: MarianoMartinezPeck Time: 18 March 2010, 5:50:39 pm UUID: 358400a8-d2c1-4688-8df2-4054d93f5e44 Ancestors: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.1 Dependencies: Graphics-MarianoMartinezPeck.220, Kernel-MarianoMartinezPeck.622, Morphic-MarianoMartinezPeck.551, System-MarianoMartinezPeck.16, System-Support-MarianoMartinezPeck.265
Fix to issue 2163. Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder. In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.
But this is the way to go. Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in.
Stef
On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Cheers
Mariano _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
<ATT00001..txt>
nuuuuuu hahahahhaha Incredible!!! ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha 2010/3/18 Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch>
On Mar 18, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
+ 1! Even with a bit of nostalgia :)
Nostalgia ??? what's that ? ;) It is not nostalgia as it was the first time I saw them :)
In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also. In Inbox:
Name: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.2 Author: MarianoMartinezPeck Time: 18 March 2010, 5:50:39 pm UUID: 358400a8-d2c1-4688-8df2-4054d93f5e44 Ancestors: SLICE-2163-RemovePenAndPenPointRecorder-MarianoMartinezPeck.1 Dependencies: Graphics-MarianoMartinezPeck.220, Kernel-MarianoMartinezPeck.622, Morphic-MarianoMartinezPeck.551, System-MarianoMartinezPeck.16, System-Support-MarianoMartinezPeck.265
Fix to issue 2163. Remove Pen and PenPointRecorder. In the way to remove them, some friends of Form go away also.
But this is the way to go. Propose a change/slice + a ticket and we get it in.
Stef
On Mar 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi folks, what do you think about removing Pen and PenPointRecorder ? At least, to remove it from the core and let them somewhere in a repository.
Cheers
Mariano _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
<ATT00001..txt>
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
No just young and fool (like I would like to be) We need more people like you to kick our asses.
mariano, i just wanted to put that old picture!
nuuuuuu hahahahhaha Incredible!!!
ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha
Stef is right, you are doing a great job in cleaning up the mess!
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Yes yes! I said in a funny way :) I couldn't believe you found that picture with exactly that class. That's amazing. Where did you get it ? On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch>wrote:
On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
No just young and fool (like I would like to be) We need more people like you to kick our asses.
mariano, i just wanted to put that old picture!
nuuuuuu hahahahhaha Incredible!!!
ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha
Stef is right, you are doing a great job in cleaning up the mess!
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
Actually it wast just a weird coincidence! I'm preparing a talk in which i have talk about the initial IDEs, so i had to put some screenshots of Smalltalk-72 and Smalltalk-80. so i took that one from the book entitled "Inside Smalltalk" ( http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html). And imagine my surprise when the subject just came up in the pharo list! I couldn't resist putting that screen shot! Saludos, Fernando On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Yes yes! I said in a funny way :) I couldn't believe you found that picture with exactly that class. That's amazing. Where did you get it ?
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch> wrote:
On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
No just young and fool (like I would like to be) We need more people like you to kick our asses.
mariano, i just wanted to put that old picture!
nuuuuuu hahahahhaha Incredible!!!
ok guys...sorry for being the bad guy haha
Stef is right, you are doing a great job in cleaning up the mess!
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
<ATT00001..txt>
participants (7)
-
Alexandre Bergel -
Brian Brown -
Diogenes Moreira -
Fernando olivero -
Lukas Renggli -
Mariano Martinez Peck -
Stéphane Ducasse