[Pharo-project] Where is the PBE VM?
At http://www.pharo-project.org/home under "Get started now" is the link "Get the Pharo By Example book..." On downloading, the zip file does not contain the VM. Also, P1.4 VM (Windows) does not work with the PBE image. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Hi Malcolm, On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Malcolm Macgregor <mdmacgr@gmail.com> wrote:
At http://www.pharo-project.org/home under "Get started now" is the link "Get the Pharo By Example book..." On downloading, the zip file does not contain the VM. Also, P1.4 VM (Windows) does not work with the PBE image.
Are you talking about the zip file you can download from the PBE website? I agree it does not include the VM and that's probably a mistake because new VMs are not compatible with this old image. Could you please try the following link and report success/failure? https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/31048/PBE-OneClick-1.1.app.zip Thank you -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
Didn't quite work - the image launched but an "Error: Invalid utf8 input detected" ST dialog box was thrown up. Why not ditch the PBE image and update the documentation to fit the latest image using PEB collaboractiv? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4635688.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Malcolm Macgregor <mdmacgr@gmail.com> wrote:
Didn't quite work - the image launched but an "Error: Invalid utf8 input detected" ST dialog box was thrown up.
what is your OS? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
I recently made a PBE one-click. Try downloading from https://github.com/seandenigris/PBE-one-click/zipball/master and let us know... If it is working well, we should put that prominently on the PBE website, and discourage other methods of downloading... The current experience for new users seems very frustrating... HTH, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4635988.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
yes, we should have a single download click and run thing - one click images - PBE but yeah, I am not much in favor of the PBE book... that is a hell a lot of work to keep up to date. A simple introduction to the basics of the system, that might make sense. Otherwise we should write more example code and more class comments!! We should clearly state that it works only for the very specific version! On 2012-06-21, at 19:12, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:
I recently made a PBE one-click. Try downloading from https://github.com/seandenigris/PBE-one-click/zipball/master and let us know... If it is working well, we should put that prominently on the PBE website, and discourage other methods of downloading... The current experience for new users seems very frustrating...
HTH, Sean
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Camillo Bruni-3 wrote
but yeah, I am not much in favor of the PBE book... that is a hell a lot of work to keep up to date... we should write more example code and more class comments!!
+100 for books in general. We need active essays! I've been working furiously on this and literate programming for Pharo. I've made a lot of progress, but often get bogged down in Morphic. I'm eager to see what Fernando comes up with as far as cleaning Morphic. I believe that if Morphic gets truly cleaned, we will see an explosion of creative new tools... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4635999.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
along these lines is anyone working on a Markdown[1] formatter for Pharo? I am probably notorious for missing class comments, but I am more motivated to write class comments if I can produce nicely formatted comments[2]. I am seriously considering including the "Metacello Scripting API doc"[3] as the class comment for the Metacello class, but you have to admit that [3] is more readable than [4]. BTW, Markdown isn't the only markup syntax[5]...supporting one of the many would be sufficient.. Dale [1] http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/issue_10/repository/Metac... [3] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/issue_10/docs/MetacelloSc... [4] https://raw.github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/issue_10/docs/MetacelloScr... [5] https://github.com/github/markup/blob/master/README.md ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean@clipperadams.com> | To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:37:41 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Where is the PBE VM? | | | Camillo Bruni-3 wrote | > | > but yeah, I am not much in favor of the PBE book... that is a | > hell a lot of work to keep up to date... we should write more | > example code | > and more class comments!! | > | | +100 for books in general. We need active essays! I've been working | furiously on this and literate programming for Pharo. I've made a lot | of | progress, but often get bogged down in Morphic. I'm eager to see what | Fernando comes up with as far as cleaning Morphic. I believe that if | Morphic | gets truly cleaned, we will see an explosion of creative new tools... | | -- | View this message in context: | http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4635999.html | Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. | |
Dale Henrichs wrote
BTW, Markdown isn't the only markup syntax[5]...supporting one of the many would be sufficient..
Of course, my fantasy is a real rich text model and tools, with exporters for Markdown, etc... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4636007.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
there is a markdown parser in petitparser made by damienP and CamilloB. But I do not know the status Stef On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
along these lines is anyone working on a Markdown[1] formatter for Pharo?
I am probably notorious for missing class comments, but I am more motivated to write class comments if I can produce nicely formatted comments[2].
I am seriously considering including the "Metacello Scripting API doc"[3] as the class comment for the Metacello class, but you have to admit that [3] is more readable than [4].
BTW, Markdown isn't the only markup syntax[5]...supporting one of the many would be sufficient..
Dale
[1] http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/issue_10/repository/Metac... [3] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/blob/issue_10/docs/MetacelloSc... [4] https://raw.github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work/issue_10/docs/MetacelloScr... [5] https://github.com/github/markup/blob/master/README.md ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean@clipperadams.com> | To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:37:41 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Where is the PBE VM? | | | Camillo Bruni-3 wrote | > | > but yeah, I am not much in favor of the PBE book... that is a | > hell a lot of work to keep up to date... we should write more | > example code | > and more class comments!! | > | | +100 for books in general. We need active essays! I've been working | furiously on this and literate programming for Pharo. I've made a lot | of | progress, but often get bogged down in Morphic. I'm eager to see what | Fernando comes up with as far as cleaning Morphic. I believe that if | Morphic | gets truly cleaned, we will see an explosion of creative new tools... | | -- | View this message in context: | http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4635999.html | Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. | |
along these lines is anyone working on a Markdown[1] formatter for Pharo?
PetitMarkdown <http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/petitmarkdown.html> Yes I patched the existing parser to be more or less useful. but it was far from complete plus the old design did not really permit for the full markdown syntax :/ so damien started a new prototype which parses the basic blocks first and then goes into details.
I am probably notorious for missing class comments, but I am more motivated to write class comments if I can produce nicely formatted comments[2].
so far igor used our old parser to create the NativeBoos documentation filled with interactive links to methods and classes plus decent formatting for source code and titles
I am seriously considering including the "Metacello Scripting API doc"[3] as the class comment for the Metacello class, but you have to admit that [3] is more readable than [4].
but it still reads fairly well even in the plain text format :)
BTW, Markdown isn't the only markup syntax[5]...supporting one of the many would be sufficient..
indeed, I am somehow torn towards MarkDown (totally arbitrary choice I guess). Unless someone comes up with a very convincing argument I'd stick with markdown :)
On 21 Jun 2012, at 22:43, Camillo Bruni wrote:
I am seriously considering including the "Metacello Scripting API doc"[3] as the class comment for the Metacello class, but you have to admit that [3] is more readable than [4].
but it still reads fairly well even in the plain text format :)
BTW, Markdown isn't the only markup syntax[5]...supporting one of the many would be sufficient..
indeed, I am somehow torn towards MarkDown (totally arbitrary choice I guess). Unless someone comes up with a very convincing argument I'd stick with markdown :)
I love Markdown as well: it is very simple, it remains readable as source text and it renders well to HTML. Sven
Sean P. DeNigris wrote
I recently made a PBE one-click
It starts up on Win XP, Mac Lion, and Ubuntu 9.10 without error, but I've only played with it a bit while setting it up... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4635990.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
Hi Sean, On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
I recently made a PBE one-click.
how is your one-click different from the one I made and which is accessible through http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe/? Best -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
Damien Cassou wrote
how is your one-click different from the one I made and which is accessible through http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe/?
Hey Damien. Maybe it's not. It just seemed like there was confusion among new users (mailing list posts about which image went with which VM e.g. http://forum.world.st/Some-Newbie-problems-td4611608.html), so I figured one didn't exist. Maybe the solution is simply to pick one and make it the most prominent download link on the PBE web page, either demoting or entirely eliminating the image-only/latest-Pharo links HTH, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Where-is-the-PBE-VM-tp4635676p4636462.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
Maybe the solution is simply to pick one and make it the most prominent download link on the PBE web page, either demoting or entirely eliminating the image-only/latest-Pharo links
ok, pharobyexample.org now has a link to the one click image. Best, -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
thanks damien. Stef
Maybe the solution is simply to pick one and make it the most prominent download link on the PBE web page, either demoting or entirely eliminating the image-only/latest-Pharo links
ok, pharobyexample.org now has a link to the one click image.
Best,
-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
"Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
Damien Cassou wrote:
Hi Sean,
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
I recently made a PBE one-click.
how is your one-click different from the one I made and which is accessible through http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe/?
Best
just curious... why are you not referencing to pharobyexample.org for PBE1? Are these both mirrors that are kept in synch ?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Ben Coman <btc@openinworld.com> wrote:
just curious... why are you not referencing to pharobyexample.org for PBE1? Are these both mirrors that are kept in synch ?
- http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/pbe/ is the new host for the website - http://www.pharobyexample.org currently points to the old host for the website (but with currently identical data). We are in the process of redirecting pharobyexample.org to the new host -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry
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