Hi all, I am probably a stupid user, but I cannot use the new short-cuts that are default everywhere. Because currently when I press crtl-x or crtl-f, nothing happens, so I assume they are broken. I have learned that when I type a short-cut, this should give visual feedback. So when I press crtl-x (or cmd-x on my mac), I would expect a visual aid that tells me what I can delete. class xxx, method yyy, etc. This way I hope I can find my shortcuts again. Diego
Hi Diego, What platform are you on ? In what tool do the shortcuts fail ? Everything seems to work as expected for me on Mac OS X, #30742. Sven On 05 Feb 2014, at 14:26, Diego Lont <diego.lont@delware.nl> wrote:
Hi all,
I am probably a stupid user, but I cannot use the new short-cuts that are default everywhere. Because currently when I press crtl-x or crtl-f, nothing happens, so I assume they are broken.
I have learned that when I type a short-cut, this should give visual feedback. So when I press crtl-x (or cmd-x on my mac), I would expect a visual aid that tells me what I can delete. class xxx, method yyy, etc. This way I hope I can find my shortcuts again.
Diego
If nothing happens check what youâre focusing because they are contextual Also, Iâve found out that some of them had timing requirements which is surprisingly creative For example: In Nautilus, the menu that shows: Senders of⦠b,n for some reason itâs supposed to mean: 1. press cmd 2. keep it down 3. press and release b 4. press and release n 5. you can release cmd now For your UX rejoice #not On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Diego Lont <diego.lont@delware.nl> wrote:
Hi all,
I am probably a stupid user, but I cannot use the new short-cuts that are default everywhere. Because currently when I press crtl-x or crtl-f, nothing happens, so I assume they are broken.
I have learned that when I type a short-cut, this should give visual feedback. So when I press crtl-x (or cmd-x on my mac), I would expect a visual aid that tells me what I can delete. class xxx, method yyy, etc. This way I hope I can find my shortcuts again.
Diego
sebastian@flowingconcept.com wrote
For your UX rejoice #not
Yes, I find the new shortcuts especially confusing because they are not universal. This is a disaster for muscle memory. e.g. in Nautilus method pane, cmd+b,v browses versions of the method, but if the source pane has focus, it selects the current line (thinking it's a cmd+b, even though cmd is still pressed), then (unless you happen to be on a line with only a Class name) it replaces the selected line with the contents of the clipboard. I think Diego's suggestion is brilliant - after a partial shortcut has been typed, give visual feedback on possible completions. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Shortcuts-tp4741703p4741740.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
On Feb 5, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
sebastian@flowingconcept.com wrote
For your UX rejoice #not
Yes, I find the new shortcuts especially confusing because they are not universal. This is a disaster for muscle memory.
Iâm adding to my dictionary the expression: Muscle memory disaster Quite appropriate Please correct me if Iâm wrong⦠the problem I think is originated by the lack of key combination detection so what we have now is a clever workaround for the real deal. I really hope we could get it right as really productive apps do
Agreed! Now it requires work to migrate the old tools with hadrocded shortcuts. Stef On 05 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Sean P. DeNigris <sean@clipperadams.com> wrote:
sebastian@flowingconcept.com wrote
For your UX rejoice #not
Yes, I find the new shortcuts especially confusing because they are not universal. This is a disaster for muscle memory. e.g. in Nautilus method pane, cmd+b,v browses versions of the method, but if the source pane has focus, it selects the current line (thinking it's a cmd+b, even though cmd is still pressed), then (unless you happen to be on a line with only a Class name) it replaces the selected line with the contents of the clipboard.
I think Diego's suggestion is brilliant - after a partial shortcut has been typed, give visual feedback on possible completions.
----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Shortcuts-tp4741703p4741740.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
I actually just reported this bug to FogBugz today. Try doing it twice in a row and see if that gets you what you want. If so, that matches my experience on Ubuntu. Investigating a bit further, it seems that ctrl and command are different for different platforms. Try doing alt-f and see if that works. It could be that we are using the wrong modifier. It is strange that both modifiers work for do it or print it but not for find. Cheers, Jeff On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Diego Lont <diego.lont@delware.nl> wrote:
Hi all,
I am probably a stupid user, but I cannot use the new short-cuts that are default everywhere. Because currently when I press crtl-x or crtl-f, nothing happens, so I assume they are broken.
I have learned that when I type a short-cut, this should give visual feedback. So when I press crtl-x (or cmd-x on my mac), I would expect a visual aid that tells me what I can delete. class xxx, method yyy, etc. This way I hope I can find my shortcuts again.
Diego
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