I have never bought into "make Smalltalk more like <insertBuzzword> and the world will like us" because things don't work that way. The analogies to US politics are biting - without going into details, it does not work there either. The most recent "do it or else" was .Net. Before that, Java was the answer. Remember Object Linking and Embedding - the entire world was going to be components. DCOM is the answer, what's wrong with you? Fat clients, thin clients, Lotus Notes, VBA or bust!!! Now it's "The Cloud." Some of these things are actually useful for many tasks; most are good for _something_. If HTML 5 proves itself, we'll end up embracing it, but not because it will make people like us. People who want to find fault with anything that is not the latest hype-compliant technology will never run out of complaints to wave in our faces. The trick is to separate the truly worthy points from the talking points taken from glossy ads. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Eagle Offshore [mailto:eagleoffshore@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 8:42 PM To: Schwab,Wilhelm K Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival I meant to keep my last comment off list. My bad. This one is also off list. I'm not talking web apps. I think you missed that. I'm talking about a platform for writing desktop apps. It happens to use widgets implemented using html and css with logic in javascript, but its not terribly different from a smalltalk environment with its own widget kit. I think Dan was a little early with lively kernel, but I think if he updated it for HTML 5 he'd find the world quite a bit more receptive. On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:

'm not writing portable web apps, which is exactly my point: web technologies have their purposes and limitations, and attempts to use them as some type of intergalactic-fix-all is probably going to work out poorly.