[Pharo-project] Question about Pharo and Multimedia
Hi Guys: Sorry if I'm asking something obvious or already asked, but, until now, I used only Squeak. Some time ago I asked in Squeak list about "Movies" categories I need to develop a multimedia app, without responses, neither on ReleaseTeam list. Some (bad) responses on IRC, commenting that, as they not found "maintainers", they are leaving behind such things. Pharo will include multimedia stuffs or is oriented only to web apps? Thanks in advance by the comments. Cheers. -- Germán S. Arduino http://www.arsol.biz http://www.arsol.net
2008/9/3 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Guys:
Hi Germán,
Sorry if I'm asking something obvious or already asked, but, until now, I used only Squeak.
Some time ago I asked in Squeak list about "Movies" categories I need to develop a multimedia app, without responses, neither on ReleaseTeam list.
Some (bad) responses on IRC, commenting that, as they not found "maintainers", they are leaving behind such things.
Pharo will include multimedia stuffs or is oriented only to web apps?
What are multimedia stuffs ? EToys ? mpeg support ? Pharo is not oriented to web apps. The idea is to have a well-engineered Smalltalk that could serve as a basis for a lot of differents applications. -- Serge Stinckwich Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/
It would be more advantageous to concentrate on the GStreamer interface as a way of providing multi-media applications. On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Sorry if I'm asking something obvious or already asked, but, until now, I used only Squeak.
Some time ago I asked in Squeak list about "Movies" categories I need to develop a multimedia app, without responses, neither on ReleaseTeam list.
Some (bad) responses on IRC, commenting that, as they not found "maintainers", they are leaving behind such things.
Pharo will include multimedia stuffs or is oriented only to web apps?
Thanks in advance by the comments.
Cheers.
-- Germán S. Arduino http://www.arsol.biz http://www.arsol.net
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Normally you should be able to load into pharo 3.9 or 3.8 code. Now since nobody cared for a long time on Movies I do not know the status of such a code. Stef On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Sorry if I'm asking something obvious or already asked, but, until now, I used only Squeak.
Some time ago I asked in Squeak list about "Movies" categories I need to develop a multimedia app, without responses, neither on ReleaseTeam list.
Some (bad) responses on IRC, commenting that, as they not found "maintainers", they are leaving behind such things.
Pharo will include multimedia stuffs or is oriented only to web apps?
Thanks in advance by the comments.
Cheers.
-- Germán S. Arduino http://www.arsol.biz http://www.arsol.net
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Normally you should be able to load into pharo 3.9 or 3.8 code. Now since nobody cared for a long time on Movies I do not know the status of such a code.
The "native" Squeak movie code is very outdated and supports only a very peculiar mpg.1 video format. So for the future GStreamer and Quicktime support would be more advantageous. Quicktime is well integrated into Sophie, but could use some refactoring to bring it into line with the GStreamer work John did. Michael
Mike where can we get Sophie code (I mean been able to browse and grab the code). Stef On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Michael Rueger wrote:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Normally you should be able to load into pharo 3.9 or 3.8 code. Now since nobody cared for a long time on Movies I do not know the status of such a code.
The "native" Squeak movie code is very outdated and supports only a very peculiar mpg.1 video format. So for the future GStreamer and Quicktime support would be more advantageous. Quicktime is well integrated into Sophie, but could use some refactoring to bring it into line with the GStreamer work John did.
Michael
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Mike where can we get Sophie code (I mean been able to browse and grab the code).
http://source.sophieproject.org/Sophie/ We don't run a SqueakSource server so best is to do it from Monticello. Michael
Hi Serge: 2008/9/4 Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich@doesnotunderstand.org>:
2008/9/3 Germán Arduino <garduino@gmail.com>:
Hi Guys:
Hi Germán,
Sorry if I'm asking something obvious or already asked, but, until now, I used only Squeak.
Some time ago I asked in Squeak list about "Movies" categories I need to develop a multimedia app, without responses, neither on ReleaseTeam list.
Some (bad) responses on IRC, commenting that, as they not found "maintainers", they are leaving behind such things.
Pharo will include multimedia stuffs or is oriented only to web apps?
What are multimedia stuffs ? EToys ? mpeg support ?
Yes, exactly, in first term I was talking about movies support, but all the multimedia capabilities are importants, I think.
Pharo is not oriented to web apps. The idea is to have a well-engineered Smalltalk that could serve as a basis for a lot of differents applications.
Very very good news to me!
-- Serge Stinckwich Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://blog.doesnotunderstand.org/
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Thanks by the response. Cheers. -- Germán S. Arduino http://www.arsol.biz http://www.arsol.net
Thanks by the advice, I not played yet with GStreamer and I'm under a bit of time pressure. Do you think that I can use easily to play videos and integrate on other framework (as FMA by example)? Cheers. Germán. 2008/9/4 John M McIntosh <johnmci@smalltalkconsulting.com>:
It would be more advantageous to concentrate on the GStreamer interface as a way of providing multi-media applications.
On Sep 3, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Germán Arduino wrote:
Hi Guys:
Sorry if I'm asking something obvious or already asked, but, until now, I used only Squeak.
Some time ago I asked in Squeak list about "Movies" categories I need to develop a multimedia app, without responses, neither on ReleaseTeam list.
Some (bad) responses on IRC, commenting that, as they not found "maintainers", they are leaving behind such things.
Pharo will include multimedia stuffs or is oriented only to web apps?
Thanks in advance by the comments.
Cheers.
-- Germán S. Arduino http://www.arsol.biz http://www.arsol.net
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HI Stéphane, Michael: 2008/9/4 Michael Rueger <m.rueger@acm.org>:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Normally you should be able to load into pharo 3.9 or 3.8 code.
Not tried with Pharo images (yet).
Now since nobody cared for a long time on Movies I do not know the status of such a code.
The movies stuff is natively on Squeak 3.8, and are the 3.8 images that I'm yet using on my production customers (In web but also in desktop things). But the try of generate packages from these categories and install on 3.10 failed, as a lot of other tries. May be my own fault, but ..... not sure, weird errors on 3.10.2.
The "native" Squeak movie code is very outdated and supports only a very peculiar mpg.1 video format.
Good to know, is a big reason to try GStreamer then. So for the future GStreamer and Quicktime
support would be more advantageous. Quicktime is well integrated into Sophie, but could use some refactoring to bring it into line with the GStreamer work John did.
Michael
Germán.
For the curious, somewhere along the way the Sophie team decided to go with Quicktime as the primary media source because Apple bundles it with iTunes, and given the iPod/iPhone monopoly why finding Quicktime on a Windows machine now is fully expected. However you must choose your codec carefully some videos formats we would find would be there on Windows, but not there on Macintosh. Also if you use OGG that is not a default Quicktime codec, for that reason we bundled the OGG squeak players with Sophie so that we could fall back to them (part of the Sophie Movie logic) if OGG Quicktime was not installed. On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Michael Rueger wrote:
Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Normally you should be able to load into pharo 3.9 or 3.8 code. Now since nobody cared for a long time on Movies I do not know the status of such a code.
The "native" Squeak movie code is very outdated and supports only a very peculiar mpg.1 video format. So for the future GStreamer and Quicktime support would be more advantageous. Quicktime is well integrated into Sophie, but could use some refactoring to bring it into line with the GStreamer work John did.
Michael
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