[Pharo-project] Problems with Czech accented characters
Hi there, in older version of Pharo (pharo1.0-10487-BETAdev09.10.4) I was able to type Czech acc. chars (like ÄÅ¡ÄÅžýáÃé) without problems. But in most recent image, there is problem - instead of these characters, I see only '?'. What has changed? In the older version, there is 'Fonts' folder (none in recent version), so I suppose, that font handling is now different. Importing DejaVu Czech font into recent image doesn't help. Any suggestiions what I should do? Thanks, Martin
On 15.12.2009 18:40, "M. Polák" wrote: > Hi there, > in older version of Pharo (pharo1.0-10487-BETAdev09.10.4) I was able > to type Czech acc. chars (like ÄÅ¡ÄÅžýáÃé) without problems. > But in most recent image, there is problem - instead of these > characters, I see only '?'. What has changed? In the older version, > there is 'Fonts' folder (none in recent version), so I suppose, that > font handling is now different. Importing DejaVu Czech font into > recent image doesn't help. Any suggestiions what I should do? > > Thanks, > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project The standard font in Pharo covers the latin-15 character set. Which means it should be able to display áÃé, with a Unicode conversion table. However, all input outside ascii range is in Unicode, so to display those you need to - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included previously) - Change the fonts used to the one you know support Czech characters from the world rightclick menu, in System -> Preferences -> System fonts. Cheers, Henry
..., so to display those you need to - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included previously) - Change the fonts used to the one you know support Czech characters from the world rightclick menu, in System -> Preferences -> System fonts.
Cheers, Henry
I tried it exactly as you described it, but with no luck. Characters only displayed were 'áÃý'. Instead of other chars I see only '?'. In version, where fonts are outside image, everything works. I have no idea. Cheers, Martin
On 15.12.2009 19:44, Martin Polák wrote:
..., so to display those you need to - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included previously) - Change the fonts used to the one you know support Czech characters from the world rightclick menu, in System -> Preferences -> System fonts.
Cheers, Henry
I tried it exactly as you described it, but with no luck. Characters only displayed were 'áÃý'. Instead of other chars I see only '?'. In version, where fonts are outside image, everything works. I have no idea.
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Hmmm, strange... Did you try typing them in another workspace after changing fonts? The settings only apply to newly opened windows. To me, copy-pasting the string in a workspace before changing Code font, I get: ?????ýáÃé then opening a workspace afterwards, and copying the same characters, I see: ÄÅ¡ÄÅžýáÃé Cheers, Henry
Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I have chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time. Cheers, Martin
Thanks for your feedback. Stef On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Martin Polák wrote:
Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I have chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time.
Cheers, Martin
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I think this stuff of encoding is important. Maybe we should ask an entry in F.A.Q saying something like this: " When I type certain characters a '?' is displayed instead of the real problem. The standard font in Pharo covers the latin-15 character set. Which means it should be able to display áÃé, with a Unicode conversion table. However, all input outside ascii range is in Unicode, so to display those you need to - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included previously) - Change the fonts used to the one you know support those characters from the world right click menu, in System -> Preferences -> System fonts. " What do you think? Cheers, Mariano On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Thanks for your feedback.
Stef
On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Martin Polák wrote:
Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I have chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time.
Cheers, Martin
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go! On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
I think this stuff of encoding is important. Maybe we should ask an entry in F.A.Q saying something like this:
" When I type certain characters a '?' is displayed instead of the real problem.
The standard font in Pharo covers the latin-15 character set. Which means it should be able to display áÃé, with a Unicode conversion table. However, all input outside ascii range is in Unicode, so to display those you need to - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included previously) - Change the fonts used to the one you know support those characters from the world right click menu, in System -> Preferences -> System fonts. "
What do you think?
Cheers,
Mariano
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Thanks for your feedback.
Stef
On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Martin Polák wrote:
Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I have chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time.
Cheers, Martin
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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
go!
I don't have access to the website :( Adrian ?
On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
I think this stuff of encoding is important. Maybe we should ask an entry in F.A.Q saying something like this:
" When I type certain characters a '?' is displayed instead of the real problem.
The standard font in Pharo covers the latin-15 character set. Which means it should be able to display áÃé, with a Unicode conversion table. However, all input outside ascii range is in Unicode, so to display those you need to - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included previously) - Change the fonts used to the one you know support those characters from the world right click menu, in System -> Preferences -> System fonts. "
What do you think?
Cheers,
Mariano
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Thanks for your feedback.
Stef
On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Martin Polák wrote:
Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I have chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time.
Cheers, Martin
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I added an entry to the FAQ. Adrian On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:16 , Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
go!
I don't have access to the website :(
Adrian ?
On Dec 16, 2009, at 9:02 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
I think this stuff of encoding is important. Maybe we should ask an entry in F.A.Q saying something like this:
" When I type certain characters a '?' is displayed instead of the real problem.
The standard font in Pharo covers the latin-15 character set. Which means it should be able to display áÃé, with a Unicode conversion table. However, all input outside ascii range is in Unicode, so to display those you need to - Import a Font which includes them. (Like the DejaVu FT-font included previously) - Change the fonts used to the one you know support those characters from the world right click menu, in System -> Preferences -> System fonts. "
What do you think?
Cheers,
Mariano
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Thanks for your feedback.
Stef
On Dec 15, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Martin Polák wrote:
Interesting...I copied 'Fonts' folder from older Pharo dist. to new one and now I can see all system fonts installed on my Mac. So I have chosen Monaco font for code and all characters were displayed correctly. So problem is gone, I hope. Thanks for your time.
Cheers, Martin
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On 15.12.2009, at 20:33, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Thanks for your feedback.
Stef
Hi, I now fully understand problem with fonts in Pharo (hope so). It is not needed to copy fonts from previous versions of Pharo. It is only necessary to open 'System' -> 'Preferences' -> 'System fonts' and select category. In dialog press 'Update' and Freetype re-read all fonts installed on system. After restarting Pharo, there is all that fonts in font select dialog and man can select font with appropriate characters (for example wirh Czech chars in my case). I have tried this on Windows and Mac - everything worked fine. I have currently no access to Linux box, but suppose to work that as well. Cheers, Martin
On 17.12.2009 20:23, Martin Polák wrote:
On 15.12.2009, at 20:33, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Thanks for your feedback.
Stef
Hi, I now fully understand problem with fonts in Pharo (hope so). It is not needed to copy fonts from previous versions of Pharo. It is only necessary to open 'System' -> 'Preferences' -> 'System fonts' and select category. In dialog press 'Update' and Freetype re-read all fonts installed on system. After restarting Pharo, there is all that fonts in font select dialog and man can select font with appropriate characters (for example wirh Czech chars in my case). I have tried this on Windows and Mac - everything worked fine. I have currently no access to Linux box, but suppose to work that as well.
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Yup, that's it exactly. Slighly related, there's a minor problem in that StrikeFonts in Pharo assumes a latin-1 fontmap, thus will render a few characters incorrectly when the font is really for latin-15 (Like the Bitmap DejaVu included). I intend to fix this by extending StrikeFonts with a conversion table when I have the time, so ⬠(included in latin-15 but not latin-1) and friends will actually show correctly on screen. If anyone has an alternate approach they feel is better, I'd be happy for some input. Cheers, Henry
I'm puzzled: did you install the new environment in a folder which don't have the subfolder "fonts"? That being so, how did you 'import' Dejavu Czech font, then? If you go to System->Preferences->Standard System Fonts->list font... do you see the Czech letters in bottom part of window? Em 15/12/2009 15:40, "M. Polák" < nigol@nigol.cz > escreveu: Hi there, in older version of Pharo (pharo1.0-10487-BETAdev09.10.4) I was able to type Czech acc. chars (like ÄÅ¡ÄÅžýáÃé) without problems. But in most recent image, there is problem - instead of these characters, I see only '?'. What has changed? In the older version, there is 'Fonts' folder (none in recent version), so I suppose, that font handling is now different. Importing DejaVu Czech font into recent image doesn't help. Any suggestiions what I should do? Thanks, Martin _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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