On 14 September 2011 13:13, Simon Denier <simon.denier@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to know what's the state of the art when it comes to tests in Pharo. What are the habits? The best practices? Is there any ongoing development?

I stumble upon that this morning (through twitter) http://www.lshift.net/blog/2011/09/13/checking-squeak-quickly

I didn't try SqueakCheck out in Pharo, but it should Just Work. I'm more than happy to get bug reports. (One thing I forgot to do, and will do shortly, is kill the TheoryTestRunner. It was intended to be a console test runner, but when I found out how easy it was to integrate with/extend SUnit, I never bothered developing it further.)

Especially, I am interested in the following topics:

- any framework to perform BDD? What's the status of SSpec?

I worked a bit on SSpec. I gave up: there were a number of references to classes that don't exist in SSpec, and once I'd cleared those away I boggled one too many times at some of the things it does (like raising an exception whose sole purpose is to set a flag, to show that you do actually have specs for some suite). I never did get a green bar. Niko Schwarz's PhExamples [1] stuff looks very interesting, and is on my todo list to check out. frank [1] http://www.squeaksource.com/phexample

I also saw that Sean was starting to play with Cucumber, I would be very interested to see that

- developing a Seaside app in TDD/BDD mode? Is there a tutorial out there about that? I stumbled upon Seaside Testing, which looks like an interesting layer http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/TestingComponents/TestingCom...

-- Simon Denier