[Pharo-project] keyboard shortcut open a warning
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts Stef
On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item.     menu         system             keyboard shortcuts
yes
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts
yes
why? is there other way newbie and not so newbie people can see the list of shortcuts? Using the mouse is ugly for me and I try to use shortcut as much as possible.
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On 01.08.2009, at 18:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts
yes
why? is there other way newbie and not so newbie people can see the list of shortcuts? Using the mouse is ugly for me and I try to use shortcut as much as possible.
Can you add a bugtracker entry for having some documentation/help menu? The problem with the shortcuts was that in itself, it was a bit lonly... but mayne a real help menu would make sense. Marcus
Just a thought: if all available commands are accessible via a menu (which they probably should be), and the menu indicates the shortcut key, then the GUI would be self-explanatory and we would not need a list of shortcuts. Adrian On Aug 4, 2009, at 17:41 , Marcus Denker wrote:
On 01.08.2009, at 18:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts
yes
why? is there other way newbie and not so newbie people can see the list of shortcuts? Using the mouse is ugly for me and I try to use shortcut as much as possible.
Can you add a bugtracker entry for having some documentation/help menu? The problem with the shortcuts was that in itself, it was a bit lonly... but mayne a real help menu would make sense.
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote:
Just a thought: if all available commands are accessible via a menu (which they probably should be), and the menu indicates the shortcut key, then the GUI would be self-explanatory and we would not need a list of shortcuts.
That's true, however, not all shortcut are accessible by a menu. As an example to tab (move right a tab space) a piece of code, you have to do ctrl + shift + r or ctrl + shift + l to left. Or to write a ifTrue: (forget about the ugly of ifTrue haha) you can do ctrl + shift + t .... etc.. and all of those things are useful to do with shortcuts but there aren't in any menu. cheers, Mariano
Adrian
On Aug 4, 2009, at 17:41 , Marcus Denker wrote:
On 01.08.2009, at 18:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts
yes
why? is there other way newbie and not so newbie people can see the list of shortcuts? Using the mouse is ugly for me and I try to use shortcut as much as possible.
Can you add a bugtracker entry for having some documentation/help menu? The problem with the shortcuts was that in itself, it was a bit lonly... but mayne a real help menu would make sense.
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It would be nice to check keymapper keybinding package statuses because having a good keymapper is important for the future. Then may be using pragmas to tag methods with short cut would be a nice way to document the default keybdingin. Stef On Aug 4, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote: Just a thought: if all available commands are accessible via a menu (which they probably should be), and the menu indicates the shortcut key, then the GUI would be self-explanatory and we would not need a list of shortcuts.
That's true, however, not all shortcut are accessible by a menu. As an example to tab (move right a tab space) a piece of code, you have to do ctrl + shift + r or ctrl + shift + l to left. Or to write a ifTrue: (forget about the ugly of ifTrue haha) you can do ctrl + shift + t .... etc.. and all of those things are useful to do with shortcuts but there aren't in any menu.
cheers, Mariano
Adrian
On Aug 4, 2009, at 17:41 , Marcus Denker wrote:
On 01.08.2009, at 18:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts
yes
why? is there other way newbie and not so newbie people can see the list of shortcuts? Using the mouse is ugly for me and I try to use shortcut as much as possible.
Can you add a bugtracker entry for having some documentation/help menu? The problem with the shortcuts was that in itself, it was a bit lonly... but mayne a real help menu would make sense.
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote:
On 01.08.2009, at 18:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts
yes
why? is there other way newbie and not so newbie people can see the list of shortcuts? Using the mouse is ugly for me and I try to use shortcut as much as possible.
Can you add a bugtracker entry for having some documentation/help menu? The problem with the shortcuts was that in itself, it was a bit lonly... but mayne a real help menu would make sense.
Why you say it is lonely ? because it is wrong to be in "system" and should be under a new menu called "help" ?
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote:
On 01.08.2009, at 18:19, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Marcus Denker <denker@acm.org> wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2009, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
may be we should simply remove that item. menu system keyboard shortcuts
yes
why? is there other way newbie and not so newbie people can see the list of shortcuts? Using the mouse is ugly for me and I try to use shortcut as much as possible.
Can you add a bugtracker entry for having some documentation/help menu?
Done: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1042
The problem with the shortcuts was that in itself, it was a bit lonly... but mayne a real help menu would make sense.
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