[Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss <lzskiss@gmail.com>wrote:
hi. first i load the ConfigurationOfOpenDBX and the 1.4 version is missing from the spec.:
stable: spec <symbolicVersion: #stable>
spec for: #'pharo1.2.x' version: '1.0'. spec for: #'pharo1.3.x' version: '1.0'.
then i added the next line to the spec:
spec for: #'pharo1.4.x' version: '1.0'.
then i probally do it this:
(((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) perform: #project) perform: #version: with: #stable) load.
i gived back a warring:
"The method Gofer addVersion: has been deprecated. Instead of #addVersion: simply use #version:
Hi. Yes, I can reproduce this problem :(
Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the operation."
I proceed this warrning.
Then gived back an error message, I think this error came from the Metacello. I attached the PharoDebug file.
The error is in the method #updateProject where it does: (GoferPackageReference name: mgr packageName repository: mgr repositoryGroup) versionReference. GoferPackageReference dnu #name:repository: instead, it is implemented in GoferResolvedReference Dale any idea? Versions: Gofer-Core-StephaneDucasse.135. Metacello version is ...... ConfigurationOfMetacello project currentVersion raises dnu #setName So...I guess Pharo 1.4 is using a very new version of Gofer, which brings lot of changes that break Metacello ? Thanks! Byte
Laszlo Zsolt
Ps: the image is clean #14112 and the CogVM is the last..
inez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss <lzskiss@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi Developers!
Can I use any way this combination: DBXTalk with Pharo 1.4?
Hi. Yes, sure. Did you try it? You shouldn't have any problem. Please let us know if you do have.
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Mariano, I think that addVersion: is very old gofer/metacello code ... not fancy new code. It sounds like an old version of Metacello is being loaded/bootstrapped. #addVersion: isn't sent from the current code base ... At a minimum, you should have these packages loaded: 'Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19' 'Metacello-Core-DaleHenrichs.455' 'Metacello-MC-DaleHenrichs.505' if the bootstrapping process is working. Keep in mind that pharo1.4.x has not yet been defined in Metacello (see Issue 4613[1]), so there will be other Metacello issues in 1.4 for the moment ... the proposed bugfix in 4613 would mean that a new version of Metacello would no longer be needed to define the platform specific attributes ... Dale [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4613 ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck@gmail.com> | To: dbxtalk@googlegroups.com, "Pharo Development" <pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:00:26 PM | Subject: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | hi. | first i load the ConfigurationOfOpenDBX and the 1.4 version is | missing from the spec.: | | | | stable: spec | <symbolicVersion: #stable> | | spec for: #'pharo1.2.x' version: '1.0'. | spec for: #'pharo1.3.x' version: '1.0'. | | | then i added the next line to the spec: | | | spec for: #'pharo1.4.x' version: '1.0'. | | | then i probally do it this: | | | (((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) perform: | #project) perform: #version: with: #stable) load. | | | i gived back a warring: | | | | "The method Gofer addVersion: has been deprecated. | Instead of #addVersion: simply use #version: | | Hi. Yes, I can reproduce this problem :( | | | | | | | | | Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the | operation." | | | I proceed this warrning. | | | Then gived back an error message, I think this error came from the | Metacello. | | I attached the PharoDebug file. | | | | | The error is in the method #updateProject where it does: | | (GoferPackageReference name: mgr packageName repository: mgr | repositoryGroup) versionReference. | | GoferPackageReference dnu #name:repository: instead, it is | implemented in GoferResolvedReference | | | Dale any idea? | | Versions: Gofer-Core-StephaneDucasse.135. | Metacello version is ...... ConfigurationOfMetacello project | currentVersion raises dnu #setName | | So...I guess Pharo 1.4 is using a very new version of Gofer, which | brings lot of changes that break Metacello ? | | Thanks! | | | | | | | | | Byte | Laszlo Zsolt | | | Ps: the image is clean #14112 and the CogVM is the last.. | | | inez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com > | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | Hi Developers! | | | Can I use any way this combination: DBXTalk with Pharo 1.4? | | Hi. Yes, sure. Did you try it? You shouldn't have any problem. | Please let us know if you do have. | | | -- | Mariano | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | | | | | | -- | Mariano | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | |
hi.I tested this.First load the:  'Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19' 'Metacello-Core-DaleHenrichs.455' 'Metacello-MC-DaleHenrichs.505' then: Gofer it  squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository';  package: 'ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver';  load. then: ((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) project version: '1.0')  load. I gived just two warnings, after I proceed these warnings the DBXTalk was loaded to the 1.4 #14112 image.Not the nice solution, but working with the 1.4.I tested with the Firebird 2.5 on the Win32 platform. Best regards. Laszlo Zsolt ----- Original Message ----- From: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr To: Cc: Sent:Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject:Re: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 Mariano, I think that addVersion: is very old gofer/metacello code ... not fancy new code. It sounds like an old version of Metacello is being loaded/bootstrapped. #addVersion: isn't sent from the current code base ... At a minimum, you should have these packages loaded: 'Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19' 'Metacello-Core-DaleHenrichs.455' 'Metacello-MC-DaleHenrichs.505' if the bootstrapping process is working. Keep in mind that pharo1.4.x has not yet been defined in Metacello (see Issue 4613[1]), so there will be other Metacello issues in 1.4 for the moment ... the proposed bugfix in 4613 would mean that a new version of Metacello would no longer be needed to define the platform specific attributes ... Dale [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4613 [1] ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" | To: dbxtalk@googlegroups.com [3], "Pharo Development" | Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:00:26 PM | Subject: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | lzskiss@gmail.com [5] > wrote: | | | | | hi. | first i load the ConfigurationOfOpenDBX and the 1.4 version is | missing from the spec.: | | | | stable: spec | | | spec for: #'pharo12.x' version: '1.0'. | spec for: #'pharo1.3.x' version: '1.0'. | | | then i added the next line to the spec: | | | spec for: #'pharo1.4.x' version: '1.0'. | | | then i probally do it this: | | | (((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) perform: | #project) perform: #version: with: #stable) load. | | | i gived back a warring: | | | | "The method Gofer addVersion: has been deprecated. | Instead of #addVersion: simply use #version: | | Hi. Yes, I can reproduce this problem :( | | | | | | | | | Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the | operation." | | | I proceed this warrning. | | | Then gived back an error message, I think this error came from the | Metacello. | | I attached the PharoDebug file. | | | | | The error is in the method #updateProject where it does: | | (GoferPackageReference name: mgr packageName repository: mgr | repositoryGroup) versionReference. | | GoferPackageReference dnu #name:repository: instead, it is | implemented in GoferResolvedReference | | | Dale any idea? | | Versions: Gofer-Core-StephaneDucasse.135. | Metacello version is ...... ConfigurationOfMetacello project | currentVersion raises dnu #setName | | So...I guess Pharo 14 is using a very new version of Gofer, which | brings lot of changes that break Metacello ? | | Thanks! | | | | | | | | | Byte | Laszlo Zsolt | | | Ps: the image is clean #14112 and the CogVM is the last.. | | | inez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com [6] > | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | lzskiss@gmail.com [7] > wrote: | | | Hi Developers! | | | Can I use any way this combination: DBXTalk with Pharo 1.4? | | Hi. Yes, sure. Did you try it? You shouldn't have any problem. | Please let us know if you do have. | | | -- | Mariano | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com [8] | | | | | | -- | Mariano | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com [9] | | Links: ------ [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4613 [2] mailto:marianopeck@gmail.com [3] mailto:dbxtalk@googlegroups.com [4] mailto:pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr [5] mailto:lzskiss@gmail.com [6] mailto:marianopeck@gmailcom [7] mailto:lzskiss@gmail.com [8] http://marianopeck.wordpress.com [9] http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Laszlo, Good ... I am planning a new release of Metacello in the near future (got to clear a couple of other things from my plate first) and it will include the pharo1.4.x attribute I will also run full test suite etc. on Pharo1.4 at that time ... Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Laszlo Zsolt Kiss" <lzskiss@dublin.ie> | To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:27:59 PM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: DBXTalkand Pharo 1.4 | | hi. | I tested this. | First load the: | | | 'Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19' | 'Metacello-Core-DaleHenrichs.455' | 'Metacello-MC-DaleHenrichs.505' | | | then: | | | | Gofer it | squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; | package: 'ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver'; | load. | | | then: | | | ((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) project | version: '1.0') load. | | | I gived just two warnings, after I proceed these warnings the DBXTalk | was loaded to the 1.4 #14112 image | Not the nice solution, but working with the 1.4. | I tested with the Firebird 2.5 on the Win32 platform. | | | Best regards. | | | Laszlo Zsolt | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | | | From: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | | To: <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> | | Cc: <dbxtalk@googlegroups.com> | | Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) | | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: | DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 | | | Mariano, | | I think that addVersion: is very old gofer/metacello code ... not | fancy new code. It sounds like an old version of Metacello is being | loaded/bootstrapped. #addVersion: isn't sent from the current code | base ... At a minimum, you should have these packages loaded: | | 'Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19' | 'Metacello-Core-DaleHenrichs.455' | 'Metacello-MC-DaleHenrichs.505' | | if the bootstrapping process is working. | | Keep in mind that pharo1.4.x has not yet been defined in Metacello | (see Issue 4613[1]), so there will be other Metacello issues in 1.4 | for the moment ... the proposed bugfix in 4613 would mean that a new | version of Metacello would no longer be needed to define the | platform specific attributes ... | | Dale | | [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4613 | | ----- Original Message ----- | | From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" < marianopeck@gmail.com > | | To: dbxtalk@googlegroups.com , "Pharo Development" < | | pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > | | Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:00:26 PM | | Subject: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: | | DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | hi. | | first i load the ConfigurationOfOpenDBX and the 1.4 version is | | missing from the spec.: | | | | | | | | stable: spec | | <symbolicVersion: #stable> | | | | spec for: #'pharo1.2.x' version: '1.0'. | | spec for: #'pharo1.3.x' version: '1.0'. | | | | | | then i added the next line to the spec: | | | | | | spec for: #'pharo1.4.x' version: '1.0'. | | | | | | then i probally do it this: | | | | | | (((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) perform: | | #project) perform: #version: with: #stable) load. | | | | | | i gived back a warring: | | | | | | | | "The method Gofer addVersion: has been deprecated. | | Instead of #addVersion: simply use #version: | | | | Hi. Yes, I can reproduce this problem :( | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the | | operation." | | | | | | I proceed this warrning. | | | | | | Then gived back an error message, I think this error came from the | | Metacello. | | | | I attached the PharoDebug file. | | | | | | | | | | The error is in the method #updateProject where it does: | | | | (GoferPackageReference name: mgr packageName repository: mgr | | repositoryGroup) versionReference. | | | | GoferPackageReference dnu #name:repository: instead, it is | | implemented in GoferResolvedReference | | | | | | Dale any idea? | | | | Versions: Gofer-Core-StephaneDucasse.135. | | Metacello version is ...... ConfigurationOfMetacello project | | currentVersion raises dnu #setName | | | | So...I guess Pharo 1.4 is using a very new version of Gofer, which | | brings lot of changes that break Metacello ? | | | | Thanks! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Byte | | Laszlo Zsolt | | | | | | Ps: the image is clean #14112 and the CogVM is the last.. | | | | | | inez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | Hi Developers! | | | | | | Can I use any way this combination: DBXTalk with Pharo 1.4? | | | | Hi. Yes, sure. Did you try it? You shouldn't have any problem. | | Please let us know if you do have. | | | | | | -- | | Mariano | | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | | Mariano | | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | | | | | |
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich@vmware.com> wrote:
Mariano,
I think that addVersion: is very old gofer/metacello code ... not fancy new code. It sounds like an old version of Metacello is being loaded/bootstrapped. #addVersion: isn't sent from the current code base ... At a minimum, you should have these packages loaded:
'Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19' 'Metacello-Core-DaleHenrichs.455' 'Metacello-MC-DaleHenrichs.505'
Wow. This is weird. The versions that are being loaded are: Metacello-Core-dkh.302 Metacello-MC-dkh.258 ... So...terribly old. Of course, the problem was that out #ensureMetacello was very old. But how we didn't discovered before doing the release? of course, because we used Pharo images that already come with Metacello hahahha. I have just commited the fix. I took the latest #ensureMetacello from here: http://code.google.com/p/metacello/wiki/EnsureMetacello I hope this is correct. Thanks Dale for the help and thanks Laszlo for the report!
if the bootstrapping process is working.
Keep in mind that pharo1.4.x has not yet been defined in Metacello (see Issue 4613[1]), so there will be other Metacello issues in 1.4 for the moment ... the proposed bugfix in 4613 would mean that a new version of Metacello would no longer be needed to define the platform specific attributes ...
Dale
[1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4613
----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck@gmail.com> | To: dbxtalk@googlegroups.com, "Pharo Development" < pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:00:26 PM | Subject: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | hi. | first i load the ConfigurationOfOpenDBX and the 1.4 version is | missing from the spec.: | | | | stable: spec | <symbolicVersion: #stable> | | spec for: #'pharo1.2.x' version: '1.0'. | spec for: #'pharo1.3.x' version: '1.0'. | | | then i added the next line to the spec: | | | spec for: #'pharo1.4.x' version: '1.0'. | | | then i probally do it this: | | | (((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) perform: | #project) perform: #version: with: #stable) load. | | | i gived back a warring: | | | | "The method Gofer addVersion: has been deprecated. | Instead of #addVersion: simply use #version: | | Hi. Yes, I can reproduce this problem :( | | | | | | | | | Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the | operation." | | | I proceed this warrning. | | | Then gived back an error message, I think this error came from the | Metacello. | | I attached the PharoDebug file. | | | | | The error is in the method #updateProject where it does: | | (GoferPackageReference name: mgr packageName repository: mgr | repositoryGroup) versionReference. | | GoferPackageReference dnu #name:repository: instead, it is | implemented in GoferResolvedReference | | | Dale any idea? | | Versions: Gofer-Core-StephaneDucasse.135. | Metacello version is ...... ConfigurationOfMetacello project | currentVersion raises dnu #setName | | So...I guess Pharo 1.4 is using a very new version of Gofer, which | brings lot of changes that break Metacello ? | | Thanks! | | | | | | | | | Byte | Laszlo Zsolt | | | Ps: the image is clean #14112 and the CogVM is the last.. | | | inez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com > | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | Hi Developers! | | | Can I use any way this combination: DBXTalk with Pharo 1.4? | | Hi. Yes, sure. Did you try it? You shouldn't have any problem. | Please let us know if you do have. | | | -- | Mariano | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | | | | | | -- | Mariano | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | |
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Ah, a successful distributed bug hunt completed!:) Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck@gmail.com> | To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | Cc: dbxtalk@googlegroups.com | Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:21:10 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Dale Henrichs < dhenrich@vmware.com | > wrote: | | | Mariano, | | I think that addVersion: is very old gofer/metacello code ... not | fancy new code. It sounds like an old version of Metacello is being | loaded/bootstrapped. #addVersion: isn't sent from the current code | base ... At a minimum, you should have these packages loaded: | | 'Metacello-Base-DaleHenrichs.19' | 'Metacello-Core-DaleHenrichs.455' | 'Metacello-MC-DaleHenrichs.505' | | | | Wow. This is weird. The versions that are being loaded are: | Metacello-Core-dkh.302 | Metacello-MC-dkh.258 | ... | | So...terribly old. Of course, the problem was that out | #ensureMetacello was very old. But how we didn't discovered before | doing the release? of course, because we used Pharo images that | already come with Metacello hahahha. | | I have just commited the fix. I took the latest #ensureMetacello from | here: http://code.google.com/p/metacello/wiki/EnsureMetacello | I hope this is correct. | | Thanks Dale for the help and thanks Laszlo for the report! | | | if the bootstrapping process is working. | | Keep in mind that pharo1.4.x has not yet been defined in Metacello | (see Issue 4613[1]), so there will be other Metacello issues in 1.4 | for the moment ... the proposed bugfix in 4613 would mean that a new | version of Metacello would no longer be needed to define the | platform specific attributes ... | | Dale | | [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4613 | | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | | From: "Mariano Martinez Peck" < marianopeck@gmail.com > | | To: dbxtalk@googlegroups.com , "Pharo Development" < | | pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > | | Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:00:26 PM | | Subject: [Pharo-project] Gofer/Metacello problem in 1.4 [WAS] Re: | | DBXTalk and Pharo 1.4 | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | | | | | hi. | | first i load the ConfigurationOfOpenDBX and the 1.4 version is | | missing from the spec.: | | | | | | | | stable: spec | | <symbolicVersion: #stable> | | | | spec for: #'pharo1.2.x' version: '1.0'. | | spec for: #'pharo1.3.x' version: '1.0'. | | | | | | then i added the next line to the spec: | | | | | | spec for: #'pharo1.4.x' version: '1.0'. | | | | | | then i probally do it this: | | | | | | (((Smalltalk globals at: #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver) perform: | | #project) perform: #version: with: #stable) load. | | | | | | i gived back a warring: | | | | | | | | "The method Gofer addVersion: has been deprecated. | | Instead of #addVersion: simply use #version: | | | | Hi. Yes, I can reproduce this problem :( | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Select Proceed to continue, or close this window to cancel the | | operation." | | | | | | I proceed this warrning. | | | | | | Then gived back an error message, I think this error came from the | | Metacello. | | | | I attached the PharoDebug file. | | | | | | | | | | The error is in the method #updateProject where it does: | | | | (GoferPackageReference name: mgr packageName repository: mgr | | repositoryGroup) versionReference. | | | | GoferPackageReference dnu #name:repository: instead, it is | | implemented in GoferResolvedReference | | | | | | Dale any idea? | | | | Versions: Gofer-Core-StephaneDucasse.135. | | Metacello version is ...... ConfigurationOfMetacello project | | currentVersion raises dnu #setName | | | | So...I guess Pharo 1.4 is using a very new version of Gofer, which | | brings lot of changes that break Metacello ? | | | | Thanks! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Byte | | Laszlo Zsolt | | | | | | Ps: the image is clean #14112 and the CogVM is the last.. | | | | | | inez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Laszlo Zsolt Kiss < | | lzskiss@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | | | Hi Developers! | | | | | | Can I use any way this combination: DBXTalk with Pharo 1.4? | | | | Hi. Yes, sure. Did you try it? You shouldn't have any problem. | | Please let us know if you do have. | | | | | | -- | | Mariano | | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | | | | | | | | | | | | -- | | Mariano | | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | | | | | | | | | -- | Mariano | http://marianopeck.wordpress.com | |
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