Maybe others noticed the same: - the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train Step by step it goes... Bye T.
Yes, +10 ! On 06 Dec 2013, at 19:05, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
Thanks for pushing! Doru On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@stfx.eu> wrote:
Yes, +10 !
On 06 Dec 2013, at 19:05, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
It is outstanding. Thanks to everybody who contributed. Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/12/6 Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de>:
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
Thanks for your warm words (because sometimes I would like so much to improve pharo even more that I'm down). We have a great team (I do not want to list names because I do not want to forget someone). Stef
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
Well I tried pharo just for fun , I knew it would not last. Pharo is unpopular, not enough libraries, small community , not nearly enough documentation. Pharo was nothing more than a little break from python. After all we all know smalltalk is dead , right ? The plan was simple, have fun with Pharo , steal some ideas, go back to python where you can get things done. Little did I know. Several months later here I am. I still have not found the reason to give up on Pharo, my questions have been answered , found many great libraries to work with and the documentation is getting better and better. Overall my experience is way better than I predicted. Pharo is turning into the environment I always wanted to have. Its so unique that I just cant compare it with anything else, and the uniqueness is not just in details, its almost everywhere. I am so addicted to live coding that I cant see myself going back to the old way. This is the future of coding. I only wish the best for Pharo , not for me but for you guys, you work hard for it and you deserve it. Thank you :) On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Thanks for your warm words (because sometimes I would like so much to improve pharo even more that I'm down). We have a great team (I do not want to list names because I do not want to forget someone).
Stef
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
Hi, thanks kilon for sharing your Python experience ;-) I really enjoy listening to people that discover Pharo "recently". Thank you all! #Luc 2013/12/6 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>
Well I tried pharo just for fun , I knew it would not last. Pharo is unpopular, not enough libraries, small community , not nearly enough documentation. Pharo was nothing more than a little break from python. After all we all know smalltalk is dead , right ? The plan was simple, have fun with Pharo , steal some ideas, go back to python where you can get things done. Little did I know. Several months later here I am. I still have not found the reason to give up on Pharo, my questions have been answered , found many great libraries to work with and the documentation is getting better and better.
Overall my experience is way better than I predicted. Pharo is turning into the environment I always wanted to have. Its so unique that I just cant compare it with anything else, and the uniqueness is not just in details, its almost everywhere. I am so addicted to live coding that I cant see myself going back to the old way. This is the future of coding.
I only wish the best for Pharo , not for me but for you guys, you work hard for it and you deserve it. Thank you :)
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Thanks for your warm words (because sometimes I would like so much to improve pharo even more that I'm down). We have a great team (I do not want to list names because I do not want to forget someone).
Stef
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
Thanks indeed. Kilon, your experience is valuable for those of us that basically live in Pharo. So, your input matters more than you think because you can help us make Pharo more appealing for newcomers. So, if you could change one thing that would have made the transition to Pharo even smoother, what would it be? Doru On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
thanks kilon for sharing your Python experience ;-) I really enjoy listening to people that discover Pharo "recently".
Thank you all!
#Luc
2013/12/6 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>
Well I tried pharo just for fun , I knew it would not last. Pharo is unpopular, not enough libraries, small community , not nearly enough documentation. Pharo was nothing more than a little break from python. After all we all know smalltalk is dead , right ? The plan was simple, have fun with Pharo , steal some ideas, go back to python where you can get things done. Little did I know. Several months later here I am. I still have not found the reason to give up on Pharo, my questions have been answered , found many great libraries to work with and the documentation is getting better and better.
Overall my experience is way better than I predicted. Pharo is turning into the environment I always wanted to have. Its so unique that I just cant compare it with anything else, and the uniqueness is not just in details, its almost everywhere. I am so addicted to live coding that I cant see myself going back to the old way. This is the future of coding.
I only wish the best for Pharo , not for me but for you guys, you work hard for it and you deserve it. Thank you :)
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Thanks for your warm words (because sometimes I would like so much to improve pharo even more that I'm down). We have a great team (I do not want to list names because I do not want to forget someone).
Stef
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
Well I think the secret of success of Pharo with newcomers like me is 3 things a) Documentation b) Documentation c) yes you guessed it Documentation Coming from python I can tell you that the success of python and its a very successful language popularity wise , is the fact that it has simply designed libs and the community highly values documentation. Of course they have a huge community to help out. In python new features that go inside the library are not just libraries that people offer. They make first a pep which is a document that documents the library even before the library is implemented, or the library modified, depending on whether its a modification or a new feature. So documentation exists even before code is written. But of course that applies only for the core development of python standard library and is not binding for external libraries. If the library is external and is to be submitted to the python standard library again a Pep need to be made by the author of the library or another developer carefully documenting the library and its implication usefulness for cpython standard distribution. So nothing goes in if its not documented first. At least as far as I know. all Peps are collected here -> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/. Of course after implementation has finished peps are transformed to official documentation submitted here -> http://www.python.org/doc/ So If I would have something to recommend Pharo to copy from Python would be this. I cant think of a more important feature to have. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
Thanks indeed.
Kilon, your experience is valuable for those of us that basically live in Pharo. So, your input matters more than you think because you can help us make Pharo more appealing for newcomers. So, if you could change one thing that would have made the transition to Pharo even smoother, what would it be?
Doru
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
thanks kilon for sharing your Python experience ;-) I really enjoy listening to people that discover Pharo "recently".
Thank you all!
#Luc
2013/12/6 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>
Well I tried pharo just for fun , I knew it would not last. Pharo is unpopular, not enough libraries, small community , not nearly enough documentation. Pharo was nothing more than a little break from python. After all we all know smalltalk is dead , right ? The plan was simple, have fun with Pharo , steal some ideas, go back to python where you can get things done. Little did I know. Several months later here I am. I still have not found the reason to give up on Pharo, my questions have been answered , found many great libraries to work with and the documentation is getting better and better.
Overall my experience is way better than I predicted. Pharo is turning into the environment I always wanted to have. Its so unique that I just cant compare it with anything else, and the uniqueness is not just in details, its almost everywhere. I am so addicted to live coding that I cant see myself going back to the old way. This is the future of coding.
I only wish the best for Pharo , not for me but for you guys, you work hard for it and you deserve it. Thank you :)
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Thanks for your warm words (because sometimes I would like so much to improve pharo even more that I'm down). We have a great team (I do not want to list names because I do not want to forget someone).
Stef
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Every thing has its own flow"
Thanks for sharing that Kilon On Dec 6, 2013, at 6:49 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I tried pharo just for fun , I knew it would not last. Pharo is unpopular, not enough libraries, small community , not nearly enough documentation. Pharo was nothing more than a little break from python. After all we all know smalltalk is dead , right ? The plan was simple, have fun with Pharo , steal some ideas, go back to python where you can get things done. Little did I know. Several months later here I am. I still have not found the reason to give up on Pharo, my questions have been answered , found many great libraries to work with and the documentation is getting better and better.
Overall my experience is way better than I predicted. Pharo is turning into the environment I always wanted to have. Its so unique that I just cant compare it with anything else, and the uniqueness is not just in details, its almost everywhere. I am so addicted to live coding that I cant see myself going back to the old way. This is the future of coding.
I only wish the best for Pharo , not for me but for you guys, you work hard for it and you deserve it. Thank you :)
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Thanks for your warm words (because sometimes I would like so much to improve pharo even more that I'm down). We have a great team (I do not want to list names because I do not want to forget someone).
Stef
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
This seems to be a good place to introduce myself. My Name is Nicolai Hess, I follow the squeak (and pharo) community for some years (~10). (Not as an *active* member in that time, but a little bit more the last days:-) I am a software developer, most time working with c++ and java. Every time I start to dive into smalltalk world (again), even if all i have done are bugreports or small bugfixes, it impressed me how much more fun it makes. Looking at smalltalks history I was always deeply impressed about all its development and *inventions*. (And a bit sad, it is not as recognized as it could be, and seeing how others again reinventing these things.) It is great to see how pharo and the community moves on. Thank you all. Nicolai 2013/12/6 Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de>
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
This seems to be a good place to introduce myself.
My Name is Nicolai Hess, I follow the squeak (and pharo) community for some years (~10). (Not as an *active* member in that time, but a little bit more the last days:-) I am a software developer, most time working with c++ and java. Every time I start to dive into smalltalk world (again), even if all i have done are bugreports or small bugfixes, it impressed me how much more fun it makes.
yes and welcome on board. It can really change your life :)
Looking at smalltalks history I was always deeply impressed about all its development and *inventions*. (And a bit sad, it is not as recognized as it could be, and seeing how others again reinventing these things.)
we should continue to invent because we have some advantages :)
It is great to see how pharo and the community moves on. Thank you all.
Nicolai
2013/12/6 Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
On 07 Dec 2013, at 00:24, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
This seems to be a good place to introduce myself.
Welcome!
My Name is Nicolai Hess, I follow the squeak (and pharo) community for some years (~10). (Not as an *active* member in that time, but a little bit more the last days:-) I am a software developer, most time working with c++ and java. Every time I start to dive into smalltalk world (again), even if all i have done are bugreports or small bugfixes, it impressed me how much more fun it makes.
Very nice small fixes :-) Thanks a lot for those!
Looking at smalltalks history I was always deeply impressed about all its development and *inventions*. (And a bit sad, it is not as recognized as it could be, and seeing how others again reinventing these things.)
Yes, and it is important that we move the system forward so we are not out-invented by the world⦠Marcus
Welcome Nicolai. Actually small contributions is what most open source projects are made of since the majority of people don't have the luxury of free time or the motivation to contribute big chunks of code. But as It has been said it makes a huge difference because when you count in the amount of small contribution they make a rather big chunk of code. Plus if I ever encounter a bug fix or enhancement that makes my life easier there is no way I will be complaining about its size if you know what I mean ;D We have a saying here at Greece "water drops can crack even the hardest rock" which dates back to ancient Greece. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>wrote:
On 07 Dec 2013, at 00:24, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
This seems to be a good place to introduce myself.
Welcome!
My Name is Nicolai Hess, I follow the squeak (and pharo) community for some years (~10). (Not as an *active* member in that time, but a little bit more the last days:-) I am a software developer, most time working with c++ and java. Every time I start to dive into smalltalk world (again), even if all i have done are bugreports or small bugfixes, it impressed me how much more fun it makes.
Very nice small fixes :-) Thanks a lot for those!
Looking at smalltalks history I was always deeply impressed about all its development and *inventions*. (And a bit sad, it is not as recognized as it could be, and seeing how others again reinventing these things.)
Yes, and it is important that we move the system forward so we are not out-invented by the worldâ¦
Marcus
That's actually great advice coming from a time-tested source :D On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:38 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Welcome Nicolai. Actually small contributions is what most open source projects are made of since the majority of people don't have the luxury of free time or the motivation to contribute big chunks of code. But as It has been said it makes a huge difference because when you count in the amount of small contribution they make a rather big chunk of code. Plus if I ever encounter a bug fix or enhancement that makes my life easier there is no way I will be complaining about its size if you know what I mean ;D
We have a saying here at Greece "water drops can crack even the hardest rock" which dates back to ancient Greece.
Smalltalk has always been the crucible of inventions... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alan-kay-steve-jobs-ipad-iphone,10209.html Pharo can take its rightful place in near future, amongst Java and C# to give a credible choice for an interactive development platform. Dynabook with Pharo .. as Kay imagined..? or adapted to be mass produced. I like the thought in mash-up of objects rather than standalone apps in an App Store comment. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>wrote:
On 07 Dec 2013, at 00:24, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:
This seems to be a good place to introduce myself.
Welcome!
My Name is Nicolai Hess, I follow the squeak (and pharo) community for some years (~10). (Not as an *active* member in that time, but a little bit more the last days:-) I am a software developer, most time working with c++ and java. Every time I start to dive into smalltalk world (again), even if all i have done are bugreports or small bugfixes, it impressed me how much more fun it makes.
Very nice small fixes :-) Thanks a lot for those!
Looking at smalltalks history I was always deeply impressed about all its development and *inventions*. (And a bit sad, it is not as recognized as it could be, and seeing how others again reinventing these things.)
Yes, and it is important that we move the system forward so we are not out-invented by the worldâ¦
Marcus
Yes, this is great! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. On Dec 6, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
Maybe others noticed the same:
- the numbers of closed issues is amazing(see the news on the homepage) - Pharo3.0 is already really usable and a pleasure to work with - more and more nice projects appear on STHub and elsewhere - more and more Pharo projects use continuous integration - most projects and packages are loadable from the config browser and other places without conflicting with each other - there is so much activity regarding Pharo these days on mailinglists, bug-tracker, twitter, conferences, blogs, stackoverflow, github ... it becomes hard to follow but this is a good sign - I see more and more fixes and improvements already as an update coming in before I really realize that an own bug is needed because it improves the situation - more and more new names appear on the dev and user mailinglist which is a good sign that there is growing interest - Pharo is on the right track and I like to be on the train
Step by step it goes...
Bye T.
participants (12)
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Alexandre Bergel -
Esteban A. Maringolo -
kilon alios -
Luc Fabresse -
Marcus Denker -
Nicolai Hess -
S Krish -
Sebastian Sastre -
Stéphane Ducasse -
Sven Van Caekenberghe -
Torsten Bergmann -
Tudor Girba