[Pharo-project] Notifiers
Hello all, One change I do not like is that errors bring up a debugger vs. starting with a notifier. Beyond a "we fear change" <g> reaction, it can get expensive if things are bad enough to create errors in rapid succession. Is there a preference I can set to get the previous behavior? Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
From my side this is not something intentional so may be this a preference somewhere. On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Hello all,
One change I do not like is that errors bring up a debugger vs. starting with a notifier. Beyond a "we fear change" <g> reaction, it can get
:)
expensive if things are bad enough to create errors in rapid succession. Is there a preference I can set to get the previous behavior?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
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Bill, I guess you are using the dev-image of Damien with the OB-Tools loaded. This package replaces the original debugger with one based on OmniBrowser. I never implemented the pre-debug window, because I hate this extra click that I have to do every single time I get a debugger. Also I observed that it encourages beginners to just close the debugger and look for the code in the normal browser, instead of fixing the problem right away. The pre-debug window could certainly be added, but I don't see any benefit in doing so. In my opinion the pre-debugger is a remnant of Smalltalk-80, where there was no full debugger yet. Lukas On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
From my side this is not something intentional so may be this a preference somewhere.
On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Hello all,
One change I do not like is that errors bring up a debugger vs. starting with a notifier. Beyond a "we fear change" <g> reaction, it can get
:)
expensive if things are bad enough to create errors in rapid succession. Is there a preference I can set to get the previous behavior?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
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I don't quite understand. When I do "1 foo" I get a notifier window (the small one) and not the full debugger. Adrian On Dec 20, 2008, at 17:52 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
From my side this is not something intentional so may be this a preference somewhere.
On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Hello all,
One change I do not like is that errors bring up a debugger vs. starting with a notifier. Beyond a "we fear change" <g> reaction, it can get
:)
expensive if things are bad enough to create errors in rapid succession. Is there a preference I can set to get the previous behavior?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
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On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote:
I don't quite understand. When I do "1 foo" I get a notifier window (the small one) and not the full debugger.
I guess Bill is using the Dev-Image of Damien with OB-Tools loaded. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
I never implemented the pre-debug window, because I hate this extra click that I have to do every single time I get a debugger.
+1 I have never found it interesting... moreover I often forget to close it, resize, select end then full debugger to resize again...
The pre-debug window could certainly be added, but I don't see any benefit in doing so. In my opinion the pre-debugger is a remnant of Smalltalk-80, where there was no full debugger yet.
Lukas
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
From my side this is not something intentional so may be this a preference somewhere.
On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Hello all,
One change I do not like is that errors bring up a debugger vs. starting with a notifier. Beyond a "we fear change" <g> reaction, it can get
:)
expensive if things are bad enough to create errors in rapid succession. Is there a preference I can set to get the previous behavior?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
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ahh now I understand because I'm often working on pharo core and I could not really understand what was the problem. Now indeed what is wrong with getting just the debugger? assuming the same error is raised? stef On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote:
I don't quite understand. When I do "1 foo" I get a notifier window (the small one) and not the full debugger.
I guess Bill is using the Dev-Image of Damien with OB-Tools loaded.
Lukas
-- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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