Hi Alexandre--
Very nice! I would love to use this for my object memory visualizations[1], so that they can be recomputed live. Have you done any work toward hyperbolic display, as with Walrus[2]? The datasets I work with are sufficiently large that such a technique is indispensable.
We can discuss about this at esug. You are coming right?
I was at the first International Conference on Live Coding[3] instead this year, which happened at the same time. A great gathering! I hope there's more overlap between that, ESUG, and the International Workshop on Live Programming[4] in the future (although without requiring one to be in multiple places at the same time :). Please contact me privately; perhaps we can meet up somewhere in Europe before the next ESUG. cheers, -C [1] http://netjam.org/context/viz [2] http://www.caida.org/tools/visualization/walrus [3] http://iclc.livecodenetwork.org [4] https://liveprogramming.github.io/2013 -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Craig Latta <craig@netjam.org> wrote:
Hi Alexandre--
Very nice! I would love to use this for my object memory visualizations[1], so that they can be recomputed live. Have you done any work toward hyperbolic display, as with Walrus[2]? The datasets I work with are sufficiently large that such a technique is indispensable.
We can discuss about this at esug. You are coming right?
I was at the first International Conference on Live Coding[3] instead this year, which happened at the same time. A great gathering! I hope there's more overlap between that, ESUG, and the International Workshop on Live Programming[4] in the future
I would be interested to know your impressions and potential for Smalltalk here. What is that community's current exposure to Smalltalk and what are their competing technologies ? cheers -ben
[1] http://netjam.org/context/viz [2] http://www.caida.org/tools/visualization/walrus [3] http://iclc.livecodenetwork.org [4] https://liveprogramming.github.io/2013
<marketing> Think Pharo not Smalltalk. Smalltalk is dead. Pharo is kicking. Do not expect that people will not look at you strangely when you mention smalltalk. And the twist is that Pharo is inspired by Smalltalk Stef </marketing> Le 18/7/15 15:24, Ben Coman a écrit :
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Craig Latta <craig@netjam.org> wrote:
Hi Alexandre--
Very nice! I would love to use this for my object memory visualizations[1], so that they can be recomputed live. Have you done any work toward hyperbolic display, as with Walrus[2]? The datasets I work with are sufficiently large that such a technique is indispensable. We can discuss about this at esug. You are coming right? I was at the first International Conference on Live Coding[3] instead this year, which happened at the same time. A great gathering! I hope there's more overlap between that, ESUG, and the International Workshop on Live Programming[4] in the future I would be interested to know your impressions and potential for Smalltalk here. What is that community's current exposure to Smalltalk and what are their competing technologies ? cheers -ben
[1] http://netjam.org/context/viz [2] http://www.caida.org/tools/visualization/walrus [3] http://iclc.livecodenetwork.org [4] https://liveprogramming.github.io/2013
Hoi Stef--
Do not expect that people will not look at you strangely when you mention smalltalk.
Actually, the people at ICLC have immense respect for Smalltalk and its current developers. It was refreshing to skip right past any sort of apologetics and get right to the doing. -C -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
On 18 Jul 2015 9:37 pm, "stepharo" <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
<marketing> Think Pharo not Smalltalk. Smalltalk is dead. Pharo is kicking. Do not expect that people will not look at you strangely when you mention
smalltalk.
And the twist is that Pharo is inspired by Smalltalk Stef </marketing>
In general I follow this rule but I know Craig does a lot with Squeak so I was talking more broadly. Cheers -ben
Le 18/7/15 15:24, Ben Coman a écrit :
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Craig Latta <craig@netjam.org> wrote:
Hi Alexandre--
Very nice! I would love to use this for my object memory visualizations[1], so that they can be recomputed live. Have you done any work toward hyperbolic display, as with Walrus[2]? The datasets I work with are sufficiently large that such a technique is indispensable.
We can discuss about this at esug. You are coming right?
I was at the first International Conference on Live Coding[3] instead this year, which happened at the same time. A great gathering! I hope there's more overlap between that, ESUG, and the International Workshop on Live Programming[4] in the future
I would be interested to know your impressions and potential for Smalltalk here. What is that community's current exposure to Smalltalk and what are their competing technologies ? cheers -ben
[1] http://netjam.org/context/viz [2] http://www.caida.org/tools/visualization/walrus [3] http://iclc.livecodenetwork.org [4] https://liveprogramming.github.io/2013
Hi Ben--
I was at the first International Conference on Live Coding[1] instead this year, which happened at the same time. A great gathering! I hope there's more overlap between that, ESUG, and the International Workshop on Live Programming[2] in the future.
I would be interested to know your impressions and potential for Smalltalk here. What is that community's current exposure to Smalltalk and what are their competing technologies?
It's not a competition. Everyone uses what they like, respects each other's choices, and collaboration is high, through messaging technologies like OSC[3]. People are educated about and interested in prior work. It's very inspiring. Regarding Smalltalk in particular, there's a lot of potential. I met many people who are interested in systems that are more dynamic, portable, reflective, persistent, etc. I think recent developments toward running in web browsers are what they find most interesting. You can observe and join the Live Coding Research Network discussions at [4]. thanks, -C [1] http://iclc.livecodenetwork.org [2] https://liveprogramming.github.io/2013 [3] http://opensoundcontrol.org [4] http://lurk.org/groups/lcrn -- Craig Latta netjam.org +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
Please contact me privately; perhaps we can meet up somewhere in Europe before the next ESUG.
I will be at VISSOFT/ICSME end of september in Bremen, Germany Maybe SPLASH/OOPSLA in at the end of October in Pittsburg SANER beginning of March 2016 If people are around, let me know!! Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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