Please do. I do have a few things I don't know how to solve :-( But, interestingly, sometimes things which looks like bugs in this browser are really like that in the system (such as overlapping packages?). Thierry Le 01/08/2012 14:15, Benjamin a écrit :

Great news :)

I will have a look asap :)

Ben

On Aug 1, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote:

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Hi all,

I'm happy to announce a prototype release of an alternative system browser for Pharo 2.0, at the following place :

http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser

Beware, it's a preview; but it let you experiment with the following features :

* Reorganize / built a hierarchy of all packages, categories, classes and traits of the system. * Drag and drop to reorganize : work partially. * Tracks changes in other browsers (not all). * Has context sensitive / selection sensitive menus * Has an extensible command system : Other packages may add any level of menu (and keyboard shortcuts once I've managed to understand that part), to bring, say, all Nautilus/ OmniBrowser commands. * Has a minimalistic GUI. * Keyboard oriented navigation * Spec-based !

Loading should simply be: Add the repository in Monticello : http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser. Open and load Alt-Browser-ThierryGoubier.18.mcz and Alt-Monticello-Commands-ThierryGoubier.1.mcz

Enjoy! I'll try to make it my work system browser, so it should get at least a minimum of support for coding and refactoring commands.

Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

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I'll have to make one, and script a bit. I'll try tomorrow. A youtube thing would be Ok? Thierry ________________________________________ De : pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] de la part de Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr] Date d'envoi : mercredi 1 août 2012 20:11 À : Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Objet : Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] The Alternative Browser thierry do you have a video? Stef On Aug 1, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote:

Hi all,

I'm happy to announce a prototype release of an alternative system browser for Pharo 2.0, at the following place :

http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser

Beware, it's a preview; but it let you experiment with the following features :

* Reorganize / built a hierarchy of all packages, categories, classes and traits of the system. * Drag and drop to reorganize : work partially. * Tracks changes in other browsers (not all). * Has context sensitive / selection sensitive menus * Has an extensible command system : Other packages may add any level of menu (and keyboard shortcuts once I've managed to understand that part), to bring, say, all Nautilus/ OmniBrowser commands. * Has a minimalistic GUI. * Keyboard oriented navigation * Spec-based !

Loading should simply be: Add the repository in Monticello : http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser. Open and load Alt-Browser-ThierryGoubier.18.mcz and Alt-Monticello-Commands-ThierryGoubier.1.mcz

Enjoy! I'll try to make it my work system browser, so it should get at least a minimum of support for coding and refactoring commands.

Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Ok, I made a screencast. http://ubuntuone.com/70xFLiJjNRbCGdpVGVIE97 It shows mouse-based navigation, buggy drag and drop, as well as keyboard navigation in the entire system, and a few things that are interesting to see : an empty System-Text package, for example. It's done on the base one-click 2.0 image. Thierry Le 01/08/2012 21:31, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras a écrit :

yes, pleaseee

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:18 PM, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote:

I'll have to make one, and script a bit. I'll try tomorrow.

A youtube thing would be Ok?

Thierry ________________________________________ De : pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr <mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr <mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] de la part de Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>] Date d'envoi : mercredi 1 août 2012 20:11 À : Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Objet : Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] The Alternative Browser

thierry do you have a video?

Stef

On Aug 1, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote:

> Hi all, > > I'm happy to announce a prototype release of an alternative system browser for Pharo 2.0, at the following place : > > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser > > Beware, it's a preview; but it let you experiment with the following features : > > * Reorganize / built a hierarchy of all packages, categories, classes and traits of the system. > * Drag and drop to reorganize : work partially. > * Tracks changes in other browsers (not all). > * Has context sensitive / selection sensitive menus > * Has an extensible command system : Other packages may add any level of menu (and keyboard shortcuts once I've managed to understand that part), to bring, say, all Nautilus/ OmniBrowser commands. > * Has a minimalistic GUI. > * Keyboard oriented navigation > * Spec-based ! > > Loading should simply be: > Add the repository in Monticello : http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser. > Open and load Alt-Browser-ThierryGoubier.18.mcz and Alt-Monticello-Commands-ThierryGoubier.1.mcz > > Enjoy! I'll try to make it my work system browser, so it should get at least a minimum of support for coding and refactoring commands. > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

-- Bernardo E.C.

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Thanks. For editing more than one method, you would need to open multiple browsers (as usual). They all share the same abstract tree, so any change in organisation done in one browser is seen by the others. I had the vision of merging the tree in the left pane in the Pharo background, and keep only the editing pane (multiple ones), but the tree is taller than it is wider, and the background is wider than taller... Double-click could also be added, as well as more ways of restricting the tree (focusing the view). At the moment, it's very close to becoming my system browser of choice. Once I manage to get the shortcuts working... Thierry ________________________________________ De : pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] de la part de Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr] Date d'envoi : jeudi 2 août 2012 19:42 À : Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Objet : Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] The Alternative Browser Thanks for the time you took. Thierry. Vidoeos are so good. What would be really nice it to be able to see multiple methods at once and edit them separately. Soemtimes I have the impression that you would like to double click on an item and to only see him to avoid to always have to click on the tree triangle to open categories. It would be like a zoom in to a class/categories/group. Stef On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Goubier Thierry wrote:

Ok, I made a screencast.

http://ubuntuone.com/70xFLiJjNRbCGdpVGVIE97

It shows mouse-based navigation, buggy drag and drop, as well as keyboard navigation in the entire system, and a few things that are interesting to see : an empty System-Text package, for example.

It's done on the base one-click 2.0 image.

Thierry

Le 01/08/2012 21:31, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras a écrit :

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yes, pleaseee

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:18 PM, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier@cea.fr <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote:

I'll have to make one, and script a bit. I'll try tomorrow.

A youtube thing would be Ok?

Thierry ________________________________________ De : pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr <mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr <mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] de la part de Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>] Date d'envoi : mercredi 1 août 2012 20:11 À : Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Objet : Re: [Pharo-project] [Preview] The Alternative Browser

thierry do you have a video?

Stef

On Aug 1, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote:

> Hi all, > > I'm happy to announce a prototype release of an alternative system browser for Pharo 2.0, at the following place : > > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser > > Beware, it's a preview; but it let you experiment with the following features : > > * Reorganize / built a hierarchy of all packages, categories, classes and traits of the system. > * Drag and drop to reorganize : work partially. > * Tracks changes in other browsers (not all). > * Has context sensitive / selection sensitive menus > * Has an extensible command system : Other packages may add any level of menu (and keyboard shortcuts once I've managed to understand that part), to bring, say, all Nautilus/ OmniBrowser commands. > * Has a minimalistic GUI. > * Keyboard oriented navigation > * Spec-based ! > > Loading should simply be: > Add the repository in Monticello : http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Alt-Browser. > Open and load Alt-Browser-ThierryGoubier.18.mcz and Alt-Monticello-Commands-ThierryGoubier.1.mcz > > Enjoy! I'll try to make it my work system browser, so it should get at least a minimum of support for coding and refactoring commands. > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

-- Bernardo E.C.

-- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Le 03/08/2012 14:14, Douglas Brebner a écrit :

On 02/08/2012 22:39, GOUBIER Thierry wrote:

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Thanks.

For editing more than one method, you would need to open multiple browsers (as usual). They all share the same abstract tree, so any change in organisation done in one browser is seen by the others.

Have you seen Doug Ways Whisker browser? It's a hierarchical browser that can show multiple methods at once which might give you some useful ideas. Some info is at http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/study/courses/OMP/public/software/sqcdrom2/Packages/...

Thanks, it's an interesting take on the idea. In particular, this browser already has the view source + class comment at the same time, as well as multiple versions of a method. I'll keep this one in mind. I'll try to centralize things a bit on the Alt-Browser wiki. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95