How to add a new rule?
Hi yuriy We defined a new rule subclass of RBTransformationRule and we did not get why the rule was not taken into account. We put an halt in another class such as ifNotNilDo: in - initialize (is there a cache)? - checkMethod: and it did not stop. We started to to watch your ESUG videos to read your PhD but it did not help us. Stef
Hi Stef. First of all, please include my email in the recipients list. Iâm committed to maintain the Rule infrastructure, but I rarely manage to read through Pharo dev. I was nice that Myroslava told me about this email. Secondly I suppose that you are working on Pharo 7, because Pharo 6 mostly follows the old approach. One thing that can cause a rule not showing up is caching, and although it should be automatically invalidated upon the addition of a new rule, you can manually clear it by searching for âRenrakuâ in settings and pressing the âReset rule cacheâ button. You should not subclass RBTransformationRule, you should subclass ReNodeRewriteRule. In fact if you check, there are no subclasses of RBTransformationRule. Now about documentation. I suspect that my IWST presentation and the Renraku paper (Thesis chapter) are not enough, but the problem is that nobody tried to create rules and give me a feedback about that so far. As you are adding new rules, I think that this is a nice opportunity to write some kind of a booklet, because rules are really powerful and we should share the knowledge of how to create them (and we should also simplify the creation process). Right now there is a âRenraku Quality Rulesâ help group in the main Pharo help browser that provides a brief description of how to create rules and run them. I think that this is a good starting point because I tried to put there the essential information needed to start with rule creation. P.S. what would be nice is to generate booklets from Pharo help, because I does not make sense to have 2 sources of documentation. Cheers. Uko
On 27 Jan 2018, at 16:19, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yuriy
We defined a new rule subclass of RBTransformationRule and we did not get why the rule was not taken into account.
We put an halt in another class such as ifNotNilDo: in - initialize (is there a cache)? - checkMethod:
and it did not stop. We started to to watch your ESUG videos to read your PhD
but it did not help us.
Stef
Ok I will add your email next time. On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Hi Stef.
First of all, please include my email in the recipients list. Iâm committed to maintain the Rule infrastructure, but I rarely manage to read through Pharo dev. I was nice that Myroslava told me about this email.
Ok I will add your email next time.
Secondly I suppose that you are working on Pharo 7, because Pharo 6 mostly follows the old approach.
I do not know since it was not on my machine but most probably pharo 70
One thing that can cause a rule not showing up is caching, and although it should be automatically invalidated upon the addition of a new rule, you can manually clear it by searching for âRenrakuâ in settings and pressing the âReset rule cacheâ button.
Ahhhhhh this is what we suspected.
You should not subclass RBTransformationRule, you should subclass ReNodeRewriteRule. In fact if you check, there are no subclasses of RBTransformationRule.
This is strange because I remember that ifNotNilDo was a subclass. But again is was on a machine with super small fonts :)
Now about documentation. I suspect that my IWST presentation and the Renraku paper (Thesis chapter) are not enough, but the problem is that nobody tried to create rules and give me a feedback about that so far. As you are adding new rules, I think that this is a nice opportunity to write some kind of a booklet, because rules are really powerful and we should share the knowledge of how to create them (and we should also simplify the creation process).
Yes I would love to have a booklet on that. Do you want to join effort?
Right now there is a âRenraku Quality Rulesâ help group in the main Pharo help browser that provides a brief description of how to create rules and run them. I think that this is a good starting point because I tried to put there the essential information needed to start with rule creation.
Excellent we will read it.
P.S. what would be nice is to generate booklets from Pharo help, because I does not make sense to have 2 sources of documentation.
Yes we are working on Pillar and we will get there. Now a booklet for three or four pages of description is not worth. So may be the inverse is better. What we could do is to extend the help to display the pillar booklet inside the image. But slowing....
Cheers. Uko
On 27 Jan 2018, at 16:19, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yuriy
We defined a new rule subclass of RBTransformationRule and we did not get why the rule was not taken into account.
We put an halt in another class such as ifNotNilDo: in - initialize (is there a cache)? - checkMethod:
and it did not stop. We started to to watch your ESUG videos to read your PhD
but it did not help us.
Stef
Sent from my iPad
On 28 Jan 2018, at 22:50, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok I will add your email next time.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote: Hi Stef.
First of all, please include my email in the recipients list. Iâm committed to maintain the Rule infrastructure, but I rarely manage to read through Pharo dev. I was nice that Myroslava told me about this email.
Ok I will add your email next time.
Secondly I suppose that you are working on Pharo 7, because Pharo 6 mostly follows the old approach.
I do not know since it was not on my machine but most probably pharo 70
If it is Pharo 6 then you can just follow the old smalllint strategy, but you may need to reset the cache.
One thing that can cause a rule not showing up is caching, and although it should be automatically invalidated upon the addition of a new rule, you can manually clear it by searching for âRenrakuâ in settings and pressing the âReset rule cacheâ button.
Ahhhhhh this is what we suspected.
You should not subclass RBTransformationRule, you should subclass ReNodeRewriteRule. In fact if you check, there are no subclasses of RBTransformationRule.
This is strange because I remember that ifNotNilDo was a subclass. But again is was on a machine with super small fonts :)
Now about documentation. I suspect that my IWST presentation and the Renraku paper (Thesis chapter) are not enough, but the problem is that nobody tried to create rules and give me a feedback about that so far. As you are adding new rules, I think that this is a nice opportunity to write some kind of a booklet, because rules are really powerful and we should share the knowledge of how to create them (and we should also simplify the creation process).
Yes I would love to have a booklet on that. Do you want to join effort?
Yes, but I need user experience. Because I already tried to document Renraku here and there but I donât know what is not clear. Also I expect that Myroslava can join.
Right now there is a âRenraku Quality Rulesâ help group in the main Pharo help browser that provides a brief description of how to create rules and run them. I think that this is a good starting point because I tried to put there the essential information needed to start with rule creation.
Excellent we will read it.
P.S. what would be nice is to generate booklets from Pharo help, because I does not make sense to have 2 sources of documentation.
Yes we are working on Pillar and we will get there. Now a booklet for three or four pages of description is not worth. So may be the inverse is better. What we could do is to extend the help to display the pillar booklet inside the image. But slowing....
Cheers. Uko
On 27 Jan 2018, at 16:19, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yuriy
We defined a new rule subclass of RBTransformationRule and we did not get why the rule was not taken into account.
We put an halt in another class such as ifNotNilDo: in - initialize (is there a cache)? - checkMethod:
and it did not stop. We started to to watch your ESUG videos to read your PhD
but it did not help us.
Stef
Ok vincent told me that he succeeded and we can use its example. We can also ask benoit how he extended renaku. I will set up a booklet. On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPad
On 28 Jan 2018, at 22:50, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok I will add your email next time.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote: Hi Stef.
First of all, please include my email in the recipients list. Iâm committed to maintain the Rule infrastructure, but I rarely manage to read through Pharo dev. I was nice that Myroslava told me about this email.
Ok I will add your email next time.
Secondly I suppose that you are working on Pharo 7, because Pharo 6 mostly follows the old approach.
I do not know since it was not on my machine but most probably pharo 70
If it is Pharo 6 then you can just follow the old smalllint strategy, but you may need to reset the cache.
One thing that can cause a rule not showing up is caching, and although it should be automatically invalidated upon the addition of a new rule, you can manually clear it by searching for âRenrakuâ in settings and pressing the âReset rule cacheâ button.
Ahhhhhh this is what we suspected.
You should not subclass RBTransformationRule, you should subclass ReNodeRewriteRule. In fact if you check, there are no subclasses of RBTransformationRule.
This is strange because I remember that ifNotNilDo was a subclass. But again is was on a machine with super small fonts :)
Now about documentation. I suspect that my IWST presentation and the Renraku paper (Thesis chapter) are not enough, but the problem is that nobody tried to create rules and give me a feedback about that so far. As you are adding new rules, I think that this is a nice opportunity to write some kind of a booklet, because rules are really powerful and we should share the knowledge of how to create them (and we should also simplify the creation process).
Yes I would love to have a booklet on that. Do you want to join effort?
Yes, but I need user experience. Because I already tried to document Renraku here and there but I donât know what is not clear. Also I expect that Myroslava can join.
Right now there is a âRenraku Quality Rulesâ help group in the main Pharo help browser that provides a brief description of how to create rules and run them. I think that this is a good starting point because I tried to put there the essential information needed to start with rule creation.
Excellent we will read it.
P.S. what would be nice is to generate booklets from Pharo help, because I does not make sense to have 2 sources of documentation.
Yes we are working on Pillar and we will get there. Now a booklet for three or four pages of description is not worth. So may be the inverse is better. What we could do is to extend the help to display the pillar booklet inside the image. But slowing....
Cheers. Uko
On 27 Jan 2018, at 16:19, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yuriy
We defined a new rule subclass of RBTransformationRule and we did not get why the rule was not taken into account.
We put an halt in another class such as ifNotNilDo: in - initialize (is there a cache)? - checkMethod:
and it did not stop. We started to to watch your ESUG videos to read your PhD
but it did not help us.
Stef
Cool, let me know how it goes! Sent from my iPad
On 29 Jan 2018, at 21:12, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok vincent told me that he succeeded and we can use its example. We can also ask benoit how he extended renaku. I will set up a booklet.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote:
Sent from my iPad
On 28 Jan 2018, at 22:50, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok I will add your email next time.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk@me.com> wrote: Hi Stef.
First of all, please include my email in the recipients list. Iâm committed to maintain the Rule infrastructure, but I rarely manage to read through Pharo dev. I was nice that Myroslava told me about this email.
Ok I will add your email next time.
Secondly I suppose that you are working on Pharo 7, because Pharo 6 mostly follows the old approach.
I do not know since it was not on my machine but most probably pharo 70
If it is Pharo 6 then you can just follow the old smalllint strategy, but you may need to reset the cache.
One thing that can cause a rule not showing up is caching, and although it should be automatically invalidated upon the addition of a new rule, you can manually clear it by searching for âRenrakuâ in settings and pressing the âReset rule cacheâ button.
Ahhhhhh this is what we suspected.
You should not subclass RBTransformationRule, you should subclass ReNodeRewriteRule. In fact if you check, there are no subclasses of RBTransformationRule.
This is strange because I remember that ifNotNilDo was a subclass. But again is was on a machine with super small fonts :)
Now about documentation. I suspect that my IWST presentation and the Renraku paper (Thesis chapter) are not enough, but the problem is that nobody tried to create rules and give me a feedback about that so far. As you are adding new rules, I think that this is a nice opportunity to write some kind of a booklet, because rules are really powerful and we should share the knowledge of how to create them (and we should also simplify the creation process).
Yes I would love to have a booklet on that. Do you want to join effort?
Yes, but I need user experience. Because I already tried to document Renraku here and there but I donât know what is not clear. Also I expect that Myroslava can join.
Right now there is a âRenraku Quality Rulesâ help group in the main Pharo help browser that provides a brief description of how to create rules and run them. I think that this is a good starting point because I tried to put there the essential information needed to start with rule creation.
Excellent we will read it.
P.S. what would be nice is to generate booklets from Pharo help, because I does not make sense to have 2 sources of documentation.
Yes we are working on Pillar and we will get there. Now a booklet for three or four pages of description is not worth. So may be the inverse is better. What we could do is to extend the help to display the pillar booklet inside the image. But slowing....
Cheers. Uko
On 27 Jan 2018, at 16:19, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yuriy
We defined a new rule subclass of RBTransformationRule and we did not get why the rule was not taken into account.
We put an halt in another class such as ifNotNilDo: in - initialize (is there a cache)? - checkMethod:
and it did not stop. We started to to watch your ESUG videos to read your PhD
but it did not help us.
Stef
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