Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Universes? or Metacello meta repository
Stef, I think that the core of Metacello is very solid. Doru is using it for Moose (a large project) and I am using it for GLASS managing 20 some individual projects like Pier, Seaside 2.8 and Magritte. I am working on a Metacello configuration for Seaside 3.0 - almost 70 packages and around 30 sub projects ... The API (DSL actually) and UI is still under development. The API is usable but in a few places is probably more complex than it needs to be. The UI is virtually non-existent, but that is being worked on, right Doru:). So far I've been able to maintain backwards compatibility for the API as Doru and I have moved the API forward, but until we've finalized things there's always the chance that we'd need to 'break' something. If we have a good UI, then the changes in the API can be hidden to a large extent... In the end it is probably prudent to wait a bit before going with widespread usage of Metacello within Pharo and use it only in the places with particularly difficult configuration issues... Within the next month I will be facing a similar decision - I am pushing hard on Seaside 3.0 on top of GemStone 2.4 and Metacello is an integral part of the effort. I will need to decide whether the API is mature enough at that time to push out the GLASS release. Dale ----- "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: | Hi | | I value the idea that when we look for a software (for example SIXX) | we can find a version that is working. In the past we used Universes | and | if was successful. | We cannot not have squeakmap and universe at the same time. | I discussed with damien briefly about that and he told me that we coud | | have | a metacello alternative. | Now I wonder if for pharo 1.0 it makes sense. | May be having a nice Universe for pharo would be good and important. | | Dale what do you think? | Do you see metacello working in the story (may be for 1.1)? | Stef | | | | | | _______________________________________________ | Pharo-project mailing list | Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
good to know. My questioning is more about the infrastructure that we will have to put in place to manage external project to get a kind of universe for pharo based on metacello. Because at the end, I thought that the proposal of damien was that external projects ie Sixx, Ob,.... could be managed used metacello but may be the author does not want so we will have to provide metacello projects for those. Stef On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:35 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
Stef,
I think that the core of Metacello is very solid. Doru is using it for Moose (a large project) and I am using it for GLASS managing 20 some individual projects like Pier, Seaside 2.8 and Magritte. I am working on a Metacello configuration for Seaside 3.0 - almost 70 packages and around 30 sub projects ...
The API (DSL actually) and UI is still under development.
The API is usable but in a few places is probably more complex than it needs to be. The UI is virtually non-existent, but that is being worked on, right Doru:).
So far I've been able to maintain backwards compatibility for the API as Doru and I have moved the API forward, but until we've finalized things there's always the chance that we'd need to 'break' something.
If we have a good UI, then the changes in the API can be hidden to a large extent...
In the end it is probably prudent to wait a bit before going with widespread usage of Metacello within Pharo and use it only in the places with particularly difficult configuration issues...
Within the next month I will be facing a similar decision - I am pushing hard on Seaside 3.0 on top of GemStone 2.4 and Metacello is an integral part of the effort. I will need to decide whether the API is mature enough at that time to push out the GLASS release.
Dale
----- "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
| Hi | | I value the idea that when we look for a software (for example SIXX) | we can find a version that is working. In the past we used Universes | and | if was successful. | We cannot not have squeakmap and universe at the same time. | I discussed with damien briefly about that and he told me that we coud | | have | a metacello alternative. | Now I wonder if for pharo 1.0 it makes sense. | May be having a nice Universe for pharo would be good and important. | | Dale what do you think? | Do you see metacello working in the story (may be for 1.1)? | Stef | | | | | | _______________________________________________ | Pharo-project mailing list | Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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