Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence
As Jan mentioned, in https://github.com/mkobetic/Xtreams I'm primarily just experimenting with Cypress. However the master branch there is misleading, it contains a very early port of Xtreams to ST/X (there's a much more up to date version in Jan's ST/X project @ https://swing.fit.cvut.cz/jenkins/job/xtreams_reports/). However if you look at some of the other branches in the github project you can find a fairly up to date, Cypress formatted dump from VW as well as the results of Sean's ESUG effort to add namespace-prefix mapping to Filetree (branch pharo_experiment). My ultimate goal is to test Dale's idea to maintain a cross-dialect project as parallel branches in git. However we still need to iron out various dialect differences in terms of what they emit as Cypress formatted output. BTW, does anyone know if git/github can handle absence of a master branch? I'd be inclined to just delete the master from the repository if that works well. I've been planning to ping Sean about his Filetree fixes for a while, but I need to find the time to be able to actually act on it :-). The prefix-namespace mapping is crucial to make the parallel branch approach at all feasible. There's also the Environment effort on Squeak side which may obviate the prefix mapping need, but it seems to be still in fairly early stages. So far it was mostly Nicolas' manual effort that brought VW updates over the Squeak/Pharo side. I think it was a while since the last time he's done that, so the VW port is probably ahead somewhat. But Xtreams development isn't that active anymore. Most of our Xtreams related efforts are about using them for various things, so any changes are mostly fixes or small improvements driven by that use. So in some sense a manual update could be a feasible approach at this point. But I would really like to turn the project into a more collaborative effort, where updates can flow reasonably in any direction. While I'm on the topic, I'm considering some API changes and am not sure how to go about discussing it. I don't want to cross post discussions to a number of mailing lists, so I think I'm inclined to just cross-post an invitation to anyone interested to subscribe to the Issues on the project site (https://code.google.com/p/xtreams/) and have those discussions there. Any thoughts on that? "Frank Shearar"<frank.shearar@gmail.com> wrote:
How up to date is https://github.com/mkobetic/Xtreams/ ? That's surely not the "canonical" repository, which would be in the Cincom Smalltalk Public Repository. I think? Anyway, assuming it's up to date, one promising approach to using Martin Kobetic's repository directly is: * have a way of importing chunk format stuff from a GitHub repository (see Squeak's inbox for my doesn't-support-filetree-yet-but-can-do-chunk-format InstallerGitHub (and I plan to submit a Gofer patch to do the same)) * load into an Environment (Squeak 4.5 can do this, modulo its alpha state).
It might even be possible to import into an Environment with the prefix-adding import and then fileout/monticelloise the resulting things as a prefix-using, non-Environments-requiring blob ready for everyone to use.
frank
On 18 April 2013 15:14, <mkobetic@gmail.com> wrote:
As Jan mentioned, in https://github.com/mkobetic/Xtreams I'm primarily just experimenting with Cypress. However the master branch there is misleading, it contains a very early port of Xtreams to ST/X (there's a much more up to date version in Jan's ST/X project @ https://swing.fit.cvut.cz/jenkins/job/xtreams_reports/).
However if you look at some of the other branches in the github project you can find a fairly up to date, Cypress formatted dump from VW as well as the results of Sean's ESUG effort to add namespace-prefix mapping to Filetree (branch pharo_experiment). My ultimate goal is to test Dale's idea to maintain a cross-dialect project as parallel branches in git. However we still need to iron out various dialect differences in terms of what they emit as Cypress formatted output. BTW, does anyone know if git/github can handle absence of a master branch? I'd be inclined to just delete the master from the repository if that works well.
Github's fine with this. You have to choose a new default branch, and then you can freely git push origin :master. You can also recreate a new master, and reset default to it if desired.
I've been planning to ping Sean about his Filetree fixes for a while, but I need to find the time to be able to actually act on it :-). The prefix-namespace mapping is crucial to make the parallel branch approach at all feasible. There's also the Environment effort on Squeak side which may obviate the prefix mapping need, but it seems to be still in fairly early stages.
Environments definitely needs more beating on it. We have flushed out a number of bugs, but in particular we need folks to just use it, and try out importing, nesting, and the like
So far it was mostly Nicolas' manual effort that brought VW updates over the Squeak/Pharo side. I think it was a while since the last time he's done that, so the VW port is probably ahead somewhat. But Xtreams development isn't that active anymore. Most of our Xtreams related efforts are about using them for various things, so any changes are mostly fixes or small improvements driven by that use. So in some sense a manual update could be a feasible approach at this point. But I would really like to turn the project into a more collaborative effort, where updates can flow reasonably in any direction.
Agreed. In particular I'd like to push my #interleave: implementation upstream! I don't know how far out of sync things are, but certainly I don't feel any pain when using Xtreams.
While I'm on the topic, I'm considering some API changes and am not sure how to go about discussing it. I don't want to cross post discussions to a number of mailing lists, so I think I'm inclined to just cross-post an invitation to anyone interested to subscribe to the Issues on the project site (https://code.google.com/p/xtreams/) and have those discussions there. Any thoughts on that?
That's probably the best approach: people interested in Xtreams ought to talk about Xtreams on the Xtreams list! frank
"Frank Shearar"<frank.shearar@gmail.com> wrote:
How up to date is https://github.com/mkobetic/Xtreams/ ? That's surely not the "canonical" repository, which would be in the Cincom Smalltalk Public Repository. I think? Anyway, assuming it's up to date, one promising approach to using Martin Kobetic's repository directly is: * have a way of importing chunk format stuff from a GitHub repository (see Squeak's inbox for my doesn't-support-filetree-yet-but-can-do-chunk-format InstallerGitHub (and I plan to submit a Gofer patch to do the same)) * load into an Environment (Squeak 4.5 can do this, modulo its alpha state).
It might even be possible to import into an Environment with the prefix-adding import and then fileout/monticelloise the resulting things as a prefix-using, non-Environments-requiring blob ready for everyone to use.
frank
Martin, github pretty much requires a "master" branch, but it doesn't have to be named "master" ... For FileTree where I use the branch per platform approach, the master branch is where I stash the cherry-picked common code ... then all of the platform branches can merge at their leisure ... If you look at the network graph for FileTree[1] you can see the pattern. Dale [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/filetree/network ----- Original Message ----- | From: mkobetic@gmail.com | To: "Frank Shearar" <frank.shearar@gmail.com> | Cc: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org>, "Pharo Development" | <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:14:34 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Xtreams's FileDirectory dependence | | As Jan mentioned, in https://github.com/mkobetic/Xtreams I'm primarily just | experimenting with Cypress. However the master branch there is misleading, | it contains a very early port of Xtreams to ST/X (there's a much more up to | date version in Jan's ST/X project @ | https://swing.fit.cvut.cz/jenkins/job/xtreams_reports/). | | However if you look at some of the other branches in the github project you | can find a fairly up to date, Cypress formatted dump from VW as well as the | results of Sean's ESUG effort to add namespace-prefix mapping to Filetree | (branch pharo_experiment). My ultimate goal is to test Dale's idea to | maintain a cross-dialect project as parallel branches in git. However we | still need to iron out various dialect differences in terms of what they | emit as Cypress formatted output. BTW, does anyone know if git/github can | handle absence of a master branch? I'd be inclined to just delete the master | from the repository if that works well. | | I've been planning to ping Sean about his Filetree fixes for a while, but I | need to find the time to be able to actually act on it :-). The | prefix-namespace mapping is crucial to make the parallel branch approach at | all feasible. There's also the Environment effort on Squeak side which may | obviate the prefix mapping need, but it seems to be still in fairly early | stages. | | So far it was mostly Nicolas' manual effort that brought VW updates over the | Squeak/Pharo side. I think it was a while since the last time he's done | that, so the VW port is probably ahead somewhat. But Xtreams development | isn't that active anymore. Most of our Xtreams related efforts are about | using them for various things, so any changes are mostly fixes or small | improvements driven by that use. So in some sense a manual update could be a | feasible approach at this point. But I would really like to turn the project | into a more collaborative effort, where updates can flow reasonably in any | direction. | | While I'm on the topic, I'm considering some API changes and am not sure how | to go about discussing it. I don't want to cross post discussions to a | number of mailing lists, so I think I'm inclined to just cross-post an | invitation to anyone interested to subscribe to the Issues on the project | site (https://code.google.com/p/xtreams/) and have those discussions there. | Any thoughts on that? | | "Frank Shearar"<frank.shearar@gmail.com> wrote: | > How up to date is https://github.com/mkobetic/Xtreams/ ? That's surely | > not the "canonical" repository, which would be in the Cincom Smalltalk | > Public Repository. I think? Anyway, assuming it's up to date, one | > promising approach to using Martin Kobetic's repository directly is: | > * have a way of importing chunk format stuff from a GitHub repository | > (see Squeak's inbox for my | > doesn't-support-filetree-yet-but-can-do-chunk-format InstallerGitHub | > (and I plan to submit a Gofer patch to do the same)) | > * load into an Environment (Squeak 4.5 can do this, modulo its alpha | > state). | > | > It might even be possible to import into an Environment with the | > prefix-adding import and then fileout/monticelloise the resulting | > things as a prefix-using, non-Environments-requiring blob ready for | > everyone to use. | > | > frank | > | | |
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