Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there, is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help. Jan
Hello Jan, On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that. What do not you like with Rubric ? Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ?
It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem. Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
That performance problem might be due to FastTable. Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false Andrei On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz> wrote:
On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ?
It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
With the latest image the FastTable are disabled by default. You can find the older images easily with Pharo Launcher but I do not remember the exact number. Try before 50133 or something like that, then you could file out Nautilus package et merge it on your latest image. But I do not know what will happen, maybe there is a little bit more to do. Franck From: chisvasileandrei@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:09:51 +0200 To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus That performance problem might be due to FastTable.Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false Andrei On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz> wrote: On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old
commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will
not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ?
It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem. Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz
To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100
Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back
to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before?
Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 10:18 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
With the latest image the FastTable are disabled by default.
You can find the older images easily with Pharo Launcher but I do not remember the exact number. Try before 50133 or something like that,
Great, thanks! This makes binary search easier :-)
then you could file out Nautilus package et merge it on your latest image. But I do not know what will happen, maybe there is a little bit more to do.
Older image is fine, but thanks anyway! Jan
Franck
From: chisvasileandrei@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:09:51 +0200 To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
That performance problem might be due to FastTable. Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false
Andrei
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz> wrote: On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ?
It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
And merge it* You are welcome, we hope we will fix the performance issue so you can use the latest image without any trouble. Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:22:03 +0100 Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 10:18 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
With the latest image the FastTable are disabled by default.
You can find the older images easily with Pharo Launcher but I do not remember the exact number. Try before 50133 or something like that,
Great, thanks! This makes binary search easier :-)
then you could file out Nautilus package et merge it on your latest image. But I do not know what will happen, maybe there is a little bit more to do.
Older image is fine, but thanks anyway!
Jan
Franck
From: chisvasileandrei@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:09:51 +0200 To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
That performance problem might be due to FastTable. Try disabling it: Nautilus useExperimentalFastTable: false
Andrei
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jan Vrany <jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz> wrote: On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that.
Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ?
It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue? Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that. Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ? It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote:
Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?
Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story: It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5% (which is "normal" IIUC). I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks like freetype plugin's doing something wrong. Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days, I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no longer exhibit the poor performance. I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change, no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that. Best, Jan
Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that. Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ? It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
2015-07-29 8:55 GMT+02:00 Jan Vrany <jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz>:
On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote:
Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?
Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story:
It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5% (which is "normal" IIUC).
I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks like freetype plugin's doing something wrong.
Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days, I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no longer exhibit the poor performance.
I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change, no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that.
Yes and no, the 5.0 Image has a problem with loading FT-Fonts at startup -> it crash crash, but not always. and there are some (other) issues with Nautilus (fast table, it is now disabled again,and some issues with rubric text for the code panel (slow and/or no highlighting)). nicolai
Best, Jan
Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that. Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ? It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
Nicolai could you enter the bugs so that we are sure that we have a look at them. Stef Le 29/7/15 09:06, Nicolai Hess a écrit :
2015-07-29 8:55 GMT+02:00 Jan Vrany <jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz <mailto:jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz>>:
On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote: > Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue? >
Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story:
It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5% (which is "normal" IIUC).
I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks like freetype plugin's doing something wrong.
Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days, I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no longer exhibit the poor performance.
I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change, no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that.
Yes and no, the 5.0 Image has a problem with loading FT-Fonts at startup -> it crash crash, but not always. and there are some (other) issues with Nautilus (fast table, it is now disabled again,and some issues with rubric text for the code panel (slow and/or no highlighting)).
nicolai
Best, Jan
> > Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit : > > On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote: > > > Hello Jan, > > > > > > On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very > > > old > > > commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we > > > will > > > not put an option to switch between Rubric or that. > > Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch? > > > > > What do not you like with Rubric ? > > It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns > > my CPU. Looks like a performance problem. > > > > Thanks! Jan > > > > > Franck > > > > > > > From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz <mailto:jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz> > > > > To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> > > > > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 > > > > Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back > > > > to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? > > > > Quick search in settings did not help. > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > >
Hi. ...
FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that. Yes and no, the 5.0 Image has a problem with loading FT-Fonts at startup
Likely. Apparently I'm not alone who has this problem. Jan suggested this could be due to connection/disconnection of an external monitor. Could be. I'm switching a lot (and always did) between "office" workplace (docking station with 2 external LCDs) and "armchair" like workplace using laptops internal panel. Both me an Jan are using Linux on a very similar hardware. Maybe a starting point to chase this down - perhaps image is cacheing (not invalid) screen id or something like this. GDB could tell :-) Best, Jan
This is strange because I'm usually a bug magnet and I did not got this one. May be this is a problem with the processes for the syntax highlighter. Stef Le 29/7/15 08:55, Jan Vrany a écrit :
On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 14:55 +0200, stepharo wrote:
Jan do you have a scenario where we can see the performance issue?
Hmm...actually not reproducible one. Here's the story:
It happened me couple times that the CPU (core) usage was 100% when I typed in Nautilus. When I stopped typing, CPU usage went to 5% (which is "normal" IIUC).
I saved the image when it exhibited the performance problem, but the other day it failed to open at all. VM crashed before opening the window (log attached if anyone's interested - from the trace it looks like freetype plugin's doing something wrong.
Funny enough after not having time for this for couple days, I tried again and the (i) the image does start and (ii) it does no longer exhibit the poor performance.
I'm bloody sure nothing changed in my system meanwhile (no VM change, no upgrade of system libraries, etc). The image that crashed used no FFI calls except those done by system as shipped. So in the end something else seems to be broken and Rubric performance could be just a consequence. Maybe I suspected the wrong guy. Sorry about that.
Best, Jan
Le 22/7/15 10:03, Jan Vrany a écrit :
On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 23:38 +0200, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
Hello Jan,
On Pharo 5, I don't think so (unless you want to reload the very old commits from nautilus). PluggableTextMorph will be remove so we will not put an option to switch between Rubric or that. Right. Is there a way to dig out an older image prior the switch?
What do not you like with Rubric ? It's not that I don't like it, but in my very case it burns my CPU. Looks like a performance problem.
Thanks! Jan
Franck
From: jan.vrany@fit.cvut.cz To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Pharo-dev] Disabling Rubric in Nautilus
Hi there,
is there a way to disable Rubric in Nautilus and get back to PluggableTextMorph or whichever beast was used before? Quick search in settings did not help.
Jan
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