[Pharo-project] Full time engineer position for Pharo looking for cool engineer :)
Hi guys Some good news :) INRIA-lille nord Europe ranked Pharo among the top 3 projects that will receive support for a full time confirmed engineer. We will know if the national level or the lab will carry the cost by mid april, but for now the position is allocated to Pharo. This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) - eat french food - have fun with us - yes we are even fun - ok with geeky humor :) - code all the day in Smalltalk and a bit of C Apparently from what the DHR services told me, the salary will depend on years of expertise and diplomas but we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number -- In France the employer pays already taxes so the salary is not brutto but already includes deduction. The social insurance is included and you may want to pay an extra like me (100 Euros) to have a better health insurance. Lille is an active city but not expensive. To give an idea Marcus got a nice sunny close to everything flat with wooden floor for 650 Euros. The job will to continue making Pharo (core) better - better tools - better network support - helping with the new compiler - helping with alien and others - cleaning/shrinking Duration: 30 months Starting date: October 2010 Location: Lille (no remote job possible) Do not hesitate to contact us. Stef/Marcus ------------------------ Dr. Stéphane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 stephane.ducasse@inria.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 20 43 42 56 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France. "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
Oh. Why i come in magic world of Smalltalk too late (have no necessary experience at the moment). It's job of my dream in very beautiful place with great colleagues :) Good luck with candidate searching. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 23:36, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
Some good news :) INRIA-lille nord Europe ranked Pharo among the top 3 projects that will receive support for a full time confirmed engineer. We will know if the national level or the lab will carry the cost by mid april, but for now the position is allocated to Pharo.
This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to     - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels)     - try a lot of good beers (belgium :)     - eat french food     - have fun with us - yes we are even fun - ok with geeky humor :)     - code all the day in Smalltalk and a bit of C
Apparently from what the DHR services told me, the salary will depend on years of expertise and diplomas but we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number -- In France the employer pays already taxes so the salary is not brutto but already includes deduction. The social insurance is included and you may want to pay an extra like me (100 Euros) to have a better health insurance. Lille is an active city but not expensive. To give an idea Marcus got a nice sunny close to everything flat with wooden floor for 650 Euros.
The job will to continue making Pharo (core) better     - better tools     - better network support     - helping with the new compiler     - helping with alien and others     - cleaning/shrinking
Duration: 30 months Starting date: October 2010 Location: Lille (no remote job possible)
Do not hesitate to contact us.
Stef/Marcus
------------------------ Dr. Stéphane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 stephane.ducasse@inria.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 20 43 42 56  - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50
40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq,  FR-59650, France.
 "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you  do different? ...  especially if,  by doing something different,  today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
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Thanks! This is also a dream for us because in the life of a researcher having an engineer is rare. Stef On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Andrey Larionov wrote:
Oh. Why i come in magic world of Smalltalk too late (have no necessary experience at the moment). It's job of my dream in very beautiful place with great colleagues :) Good luck with candidate searching.
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 23:36, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Hi guys
Some good news :) INRIA-lille nord Europe ranked Pharo among the top 3 projects that will receive support for a full time confirmed engineer. We will know if the national level or the lab will carry the cost by mid april, but for now the position is allocated to Pharo.
This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) - eat french food - have fun with us - yes we are even fun - ok with geeky humor :) - code all the day in Smalltalk and a bit of C
Apparently from what the DHR services told me, the salary will depend on years of expertise and diplomas but we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number -- In France the employer pays already taxes so the salary is not brutto but already includes deduction. The social insurance is included and you may want to pay an extra like me (100 Euros) to have a better health insurance. Lille is an active city but not expensive. To give an idea Marcus got a nice sunny close to everything flat with wooden floor for 650 Euros.
The job will to continue making Pharo (core) better - better tools - better network support - helping with the new compiler - helping with alien and others - cleaning/shrinking
Duration: 30 months Starting date: October 2010 Location: Lille (no remote job possible)
Do not hesitate to contact us.
Stef/Marcus
------------------------ Dr. Stéphane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 stephane.ducasse@inria.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 20 43 42 56 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50
40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.
"if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
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On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to     - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels)     - try a lot of good beers (belgium :)
e.g. this one is just 40Km away: http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm Even the local beer is good: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/260/1308/
we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number
I think it should be explained that this is the french version of "before taxes", not the same as, for example, german brutto. This means, health insurance, pension and all social welfare is already deducted. So if we take taxes into account (single person, no kids), this means you get 2400 EUR/Month. To get 2400 EUR/Month in germany, you need a "before tax/health/social/unemployment" salary of 4.200 EUR/Month (or 50.000 EUR for the year). So it's not that bad. And Lille is cheap. As a typical european city, you don't need a car, and for the ticket for public transport, INRIA pays half. This means my cost of transport is just 18.50EUR a month, plus Train for traveling to Paris or London on the weekend... The health insurance system is rated as one of the best public ones in the world by the WHO, the local hospital is the best in the whole country. And health insurance is *not* connected to employment. One can *never* lose health insurance. Whatever happens. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker@acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de
I'd be willing to apply. But i'm not sure if i fit for it. On 9 March 2010 17:15, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to     - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels)     - try a lot of good beers (belgium :)
e.g. this one is just 40Km away:
 http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm
Even the local beer is good:
 http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/260/1308/
we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number
I think it should be explained that this is the french version of "before taxes", not the same as, for example, german brutto. This means, health insurance, pension and all social welfare is already deducted. So if we take taxes into account (single person, no kids), this means you get 2400 EUR/Month.
To get 2400 EUR/Month in germany, you need a "before tax/health/social/unemployment" salary of 4.200 EUR/Month (or 50.000 EUR for the year).
So it's not that bad. And Lille is cheap. As a typical european city, you don't need a car, and for the ticket for public transport, INRIA pays half. This means my cost of transport is just 18.50EUR a month, plus Train for traveling to Paris or London on the weekend...
The health insurance system is rated as one of the best public ones in the world by the WHO, the local hospital is the best in the whole country. And health insurance is *not* connected to employment. One can *never* lose health insurance. Whatever happens.
   Marcus
-- Marcus Denker  --  denker@acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de
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-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
I'd be willing to apply. But i'm not sure if i fit for it.
Why? You do not drink beers? Me neither but I survive eating black chocolate. Stef
On 9 March 2010 17:15, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) - try a lot of good beers (belgium :)
e.g. this one is just 40Km away:
http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm
Even the local beer is good:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/260/1308/
we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number
I think it should be explained that this is the french version of "before taxes", not the same as, for example, german brutto. This means, health insurance, pension and all social welfare is already deducted. So if we take taxes into account (single person, no kids), this means you get 2400 EUR/Month.
To get 2400 EUR/Month in germany, you need a "before tax/health/social/unemployment" salary of 4.200 EUR/Month (or 50.000 EUR for the year).
So it's not that bad. And Lille is cheap. As a typical european city, you don't need a car, and for the ticket for public transport, INRIA pays half. This means my cost of transport is just 18.50EUR a month, plus Train for traveling to Paris or London on the weekend...
The health insurance system is rated as one of the best public ones in the world by the WHO, the local hospital is the best in the whole country. And health insurance is *not* connected to employment. One can *never* lose health insurance. Whatever happens.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- denker@acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
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On 9 March 2010 23:19, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I'd be willing to apply. But i'm not sure if i fit for it.
Why? You do not drink beers? Nope :) Me neither but I survive eating black chocolate.
So , count me in :)
Stef
On 9 March 2010 17:15, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to     - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels)     - try a lot of good beers (belgium :)
e.g. this one is just 40Km away:
 http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm
Even the local beer is good:
 http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/260/1308/
we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number
I think it should be explained that this is the french version of "before taxes", not the same as, for example, german brutto. This means, health insurance, pension and all social welfare is already deducted. So if we take taxes into account (single person, no kids), this means you get 2400 EUR/Month.
To get 2400 EUR/Month in germany, you need a "before tax/health/social/unemployment" salary of 4.200 EUR/Month (or 50.000 EUR for the year).
So it's not that bad. And Lille is cheap. As a typical european city, you don't need a car, and for the ticket for public transport, INRIA pays half. This means my cost of transport is just 18.50EUR a month, plus Train for traveling to Paris or London on the weekend...
The health insurance system is rated as one of the best public ones in the world by the WHO, the local hospital is the best in the whole country. And health insurance is *not* connected to employment. One can *never* lose health insurance. Whatever happens.
   Marcus
-- Marcus Denker  --  denker@acm.org http://www.marcusdenker.de
_______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
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El lun, 08-03-2010 a las 21:36 +0100, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
Hi guys
Some good news :)
Very good indeed. Some questions? - Is french required (A1 DELF or something like that) or English is enough? - Is just for single persons or married ones with kids are allowed? - Do you have some profile you would prefer for the position? -- Visible projects in Smalltalk -- Long time of contributing to Pharo - What kind of Visa is required? - Is some specific technical hability needed (networking experience, vm hacking experience) Cheers
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Some questions?
- Is french required (A1 DELF or something like that) or English is enough?
English is enough (to your own risk :). Marcus does not speak french, mariano neither.
- Is just for single persons or married ones with kids are allowed? We pay only the person working but you can have family with you. :) I imagine that as soon as you get married your wife and kids can get visa without problems (at least from countries without security problems).
- Do you have some profile you would prefer for the position? -- Visible projects in Smalltalk -- Long time of contributing to Pharo
Technical achievement in general. Finishing the last 2% of your great achievement. We are not pharo specific, even smart squeakers can apply :)
- What kind of Visa is required? I'm not sure that you have to do anything since our administration should get the visa for you. The applicants should get a working permit visa.
- Is some specific technical hability needed (networking experience, vm hacking experience)
This would be a plus but not necessarily. Wanting to build a better world, good communication, friendly, open-minded, efficient, working fast, **understanding** what we are building are more important! At the end trust and commitment too :) Stef
Something really important that I forgot to say. Thanks to all of you that are making Pharo cool. The key point is that of course we wrote a request document (10 pages), went to meetings to understand what they wanted, rewrote the document, motivated it,... But at the end the fact that INRIA supports pharo is not because of us but because of you and the impact they see. So all the submissions, users, mailing-list traffic... counts. So just replying to emails mentioning that you use pharo to do research teach develop applications was already a good action :) Thanks since I forget to mention it. Stef
BTW, at the University of Buenos Aires we are going to use Pharo this year (and the next ones). Four years ago we were using Squeak, then we went to VisualWorks but now Pharo is mature enough to use it as development environment so, we are going back to an open source implementation. Hernan. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Something really important that I forgot to say. Thanks to all of you that are making Pharo cool. The key point is that of course we wrote a request document (10 pages), went to meetings to understand what they wanted, rewrote the document, motivated it,... But at the end the fact that INRIA supports pharo is not because of us but because of you and the impact they see. So all the submissions, users, mailing-list traffic... counts. So just replying to emails mentioning that you use pharo to do research teach develop applications was already a good action :)
Thanks since I forget to mention it.
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cooooooooooool do you have a link for the web page of success stories :) Stef On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote:
BTW, at the University of Buenos Aires we are going to use Pharo this year (and the next ones). Four years ago we were using Squeak, then we went to VisualWorks but now Pharo is mature enough to use it as development environment so, we are going back to an open source implementation.
Hernan.
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Something really important that I forgot to say. Thanks to all of you that are making Pharo cool. The key point is that of course we wrote a request document (10 pages), went to meetings to understand what they wanted, rewrote the document, motivated it,... But at the end the fact that INRIA supports pharo is not because of us but because of you and the impact they see. So all the submissions, users, mailing-list traffic... counts. So just replying to emails mentioning that you use pharo to do research teach develop applications was already a good action :)
Thanks since I forget to mention it.
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Hey, this is great! congratulations to all the people at Inria that are pushing this! Hernan. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>wrote:
Hi guys
Some good news :) INRIA-lille nord Europe ranked Pharo among the top 3 projects that will receive support for a full time confirmed engineer. We will know if the national level or the lab will carry the cost by mid april, but for now the position is allocated to Pharo.
This is not the official job announce but just to give some hints and that you can prepare yourself to - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) - eat french food - have fun with us - yes we are even fun - ok with geeky humor :) - code all the day in Smalltalk and a bit of C
Apparently from what the DHR services told me, the salary will depend on years of expertise and diplomas but we can think that 2700 Euros (before final taxes) should be a good working number -- In France the employer pays already taxes so the salary is not brutto but already includes deduction. The social insurance is included and you may want to pay an extra like me (100 Euros) to have a better health insurance. Lille is an active city but not expensive. To give an idea Marcus got a nice sunny close to everything flat with wooden floor for 650 Euros.
The job will to continue making Pharo (core) better - better tools - better network support - helping with the new compiler - helping with alien and others - cleaning/shrinking
Duration: 30 months Starting date: October 2010 Location: Lille (no remote job possible)
Do not hesitate to contact us.
Stef/Marcus
------------------------ Dr. Stéphane Ducasse -- Directeur de Recherche (Senior Researcher) INRIA - USTL - CNRS UMR 8022 stephane.ducasse@inria.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/ **NEW ***Tel 00 33 (0)3 20 43 42 56 - Fax 33 3 59 57 78 50
40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza, Villeneuve d'Ascq, FR-59650, France.
"if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
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Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
... - move to France (one hour from paris, 1h30 from London, 35 min from Brussels) - try a lot of good beers (belgium :) - eat french food - have fun with us - yes we are even fun - ok with geeky humor :) - code all the day in Smalltalk and a bit of C
...
The job will to continue making Pharo (core) better - better tools - better network support - helping with the new compiler - helping with alien and others - cleaning/shrinking
Duration: 30 months Starting date: October 2010 Location: Lille (no remote job possible)
Even though you did mention that this was not the "official" job announcement, the only thing that was actually missing here were the postition's requirements .... I can only asume that there are plenty of candidates for "moules frites" with a "Leffe Blonde" in "magnifique" Lille :) -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Full-time-engineer-position-for-Pharo-looking-for-cool-... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Igor Stasenko -
Marcus Denker -
Miguel Enrique Cobá Martinez -
Stéphane Ducasse