[Pharo-project] GSoC idea: Spec over Aida component model
Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project? Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps Level: advanced Possible mentor: Janko Mivšek Possible second mentor: Benjamin? Description Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become Spec-aware Technical Details Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?). Benefits to the Student Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach. Benefits to the Community Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute a piece toward that goal. Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Of course I could be a mentor :) But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ? And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: platform/framework independency :) I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^ Ben On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si> wrote:
Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project?
Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps
Level: advanced
Possible mentor: Janko Mivšek
Possible second mentor: Benjamin?
Description
Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become Spec-aware
Technical Details
Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?).
Benefits to the Student
Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach.
Benefits to the Community
Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute a piece toward that goal.
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Hi Benjamin Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:04, piše Benjamin:
Of course I could be a mentor :)
But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ?
Unfortunatelly not :(
And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: platform/framework independency :) I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^
So you'd like to run as a student for the Spec Independency project, which is also your proposal, so this is actually a Student proposal, right? :) In any case your project can be a good one in parallel to Spec over Aida one. And another over Amber? That way we can evolve Spec while testing it in many frameworks at once. But it seems that we all need to adjust a terminology a bit, HTML5 terms are a bit different, those ins W3C Web Components spec different again, etc. Then event architecture could be different that one in web browser's DOM tree. Then MVC, dependency mechanism, how ideas from JavaScript MVC frameworks like Ember.js, Angular.js etc, can be covered with Spec. In any case, pretty amusing projects indeed :) Best regards Janko
Ben
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote:
Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project?
Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps
Level: advanced
Possible mentor: Janko Mivšek
Possible second mentor: Benjamin?
Description
Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become Spec-aware
Technical Details
Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?).
Benefits to the Student
Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach.
Benefits to the Community
Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute a piece toward that goal.
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Thanks for the explanation :) My question was more Can I be a student for project Foo and a mentor for project Bar ? :) Ben On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si> wrote:
Hi Benjamin
Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:04, piše Benjamin:
Of course I could be a mentor :)
But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ?
Unfortunatelly not :(
And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: platform/framework independency :) I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^
So you'd like to run as a student for the Spec Independency project, which is also your proposal, so this is actually a Student proposal, right? :)
In any case your project can be a good one in parallel to Spec over Aida one. And another over Amber? That way we can evolve Spec while testing it in many frameworks at once. But it seems that we all need to adjust a terminology a bit, HTML5 terms are a bit different, those ins W3C Web Components spec different again, etc. Then event architecture could be different that one in web browser's DOM tree. Then MVC, dependency mechanism, how ideas from JavaScript MVC frameworks like Ember.js, Angular.js etc, can be covered with Spec. In any case, pretty amusing projects indeed :)
Best regards Janko
Ben
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote:
Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project?
Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps
Level: advanced
Possible mentor: Janko Mivšek
Possible second mentor: Benjamin?
Description
Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become Spec-aware
Technical Details
Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?).
Benefits to the Student
Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach.
Benefits to the Community
Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute a piece toward that goal.
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the explanation :)
My question was more Can I be a student for project Foo and a mentor for project Bar ?
yes I do not see why
:)
Ben
On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si> wrote:
Hi Benjamin
Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:04, piše Benjamin:
Of course I could be a mentor :)
But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ?
Unfortunatelly not :(
And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: platform/framework independency :) I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^
So you'd like to run as a student for the Spec Independency project, which is also your proposal, so this is actually a Student proposal, right? :)
In any case your project can be a good one in parallel to Spec over Aida one. And another over Amber? That way we can evolve Spec while testing it in many frameworks at once. But it seems that we all need to adjust a terminology a bit, HTML5 terms are a bit different, those ins W3C Web Components spec different again, etc. Then event architecture could be different that one in web browser's DOM tree. Then MVC, dependency mechanism, how ideas from JavaScript MVC frameworks like Ember.js, Angular.js etc, can be covered with Spec. In any case, pretty amusing projects indeed :)
Best regards Janko
Ben
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote:
Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project?
Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps
Level: advanced
Possible mentor: Janko Mivšek
Possible second mentor: Benjamin?
Description
Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become Spec-aware
Technical Details
Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?).
Benefits to the Student
Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach.
Benefits to the Community
Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute a piece toward that goal.
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Benjamin wrote:
Thanks for the explanation :)
My question was more Can I be a student for project Foo and a mentor for project Bar ?
:)
Ben
GSOC FAQ... Students and Eligibility Q10: I would like to participate in Google Summer of Code as both a mentor and a student. Is this possible? ****A: We've given this question a lot of thought, and we've decided it is best not to allow participants to act as a mentor to another /Google Summer of Code/ student while they are working on their own Google Summer of Code student project. We want to make sure that each project and student receives sufficient attention, and we're concerned that this split in focus could create a bad experience for those involved. Please choose whether participation as a mentor or a student is more appealing to you and plan to apply accordingly.
On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si> wrote:
Hi Benjamin
Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:04, piše Benjamin:
Of course I could be a mentor :)
But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ?
Unfortunatelly not :(
And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: platform/framework independency :) I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^
So you'd like to run as a student for the Spec Independency project, which is also your proposal, so this is actually a Student proposal, right? :)
In any case your project can be a good one in parallel to Spec over Aida one. And another over Amber? That way we can evolve Spec while testing it in many frameworks at once. But it seems that we all need to adjust a terminology a bit, HTML5 terms are a bit different, those ins W3C Web Components spec different again, etc. Then event architecture could be different that one in web browser's DOM tree. Then MVC, dependency mechanism, how ideas from JavaScript MVC frameworks like Ember.js, Angular.js etc, can be covered with Spec. In any case, pretty amusing projects indeed :)
Best regards Janko
Ben
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote:
Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project?
Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps
Level: advanced
Possible mentor: Janko Mivšek
Possible second mentor: Benjamin?
Description
Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become Spec-aware
Technical Details
Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?).
Benefits to the Student
Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach.
Benefits to the Community
Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute a piece toward that goal.
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
Thank you :) So I think I will apply as a student (and still be present for the student without being a mentor then) :) Ben On Mar 27, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Ben Coman <btc@openInWorld.com> wrote:
Benjamin wrote:
Thanks for the explanation :)
My question was more Can I be a student for project Foo and a mentor for project Bar ?
:)
Ben
GSOC FAQ...
Students and Eligibility Q10: I would like to participate in Google Summer of Code as both a mentor and a student. Is this possible? ****A: We've given this question a lot of thought, and we've decided it is best not to allow participants to act as a mentor to another /Google Summer of Code/ student while they are working on their own Google Summer of Code student project. We want to make sure that each project and student receives sufficient attention, and we're concerned that this split in focus could create a bad experience for those involved. Please choose whether participation as a mentor or a student is more appealing to you and plan to apply accordingly.
On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si> wrote:
Hi Benjamin
Dne 26. 03. 2013 16:04, piše Benjamin:
Of course I could be a mentor :)
But my question is can I be a mentor and a student ?
Unfortunatelly not :(
And this proposal go in the direction I want Spec to follow: platform/framework independency :) I know that Nico would love to have Spec running in Amber ^^
So you'd like to run as a student for the Spec Independency project, which is also your proposal, so this is actually a Student proposal, right? :)
In any case your project can be a good one in parallel to Spec over Aida one. And another over Amber? That way we can evolve Spec while testing it in many frameworks at once. But it seems that we all need to adjust a terminology a bit, HTML5 terms are a bit different, those ins W3C Web Components spec different again, etc. Then event architecture could be different that one in web browser's DOM tree. Then MVC, dependency mechanism, how ideas from JavaScript MVC frameworks like Ember.js, Angular.js etc, can be covered with Spec. In any case, pretty amusing projects indeed :)
Best regards Janko
Ben
On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> wrote:
Guys, would be this an interesting project to advance Smalltalk UI more toward bleeding edge again, after 30 years, when we were there already with MVC based GUI? Spec project have a potential here and Spec over web frameworks to build fully desktop-capable web apps seems to be achievable. Spec over Amber (who will propose that?), Spec over Aida, Spec over Seaside? Benjamin, would you be a co-mentor of that project?
Title: Spec over Aida for desktop-capable Web Apps
Level: advanced
Possible mentor: Janko Mivšek
Possible second mentor: Benjamin?
Description
Spec as a means to describe and generate GUI has a potential to help building web applications as well. And because one of Spec goals is to become a platform/framework independent, this project has a goal to extend Aida component model for building Single Page web apps to become Spec-aware
Technical Details
Aida has a component model for building so called Single Page web UIs, capable of composing a hierarchy of so called web widgets, which are standalone reusable components, together with hierarchical web form support. Spec as descriptor and generator of UI is therefore a natural extension of Aida component model. When a HTML5 Web Components standard will be ready, Aida component model can be easily extended to support that standard as well, together with Spec (and maybe UIBuilder too?).
Benefits to the Student
Student will acquire the knowledge and experience of building desktop-capable UIs on the web using HTML5 approach.
Benefits to the Community
Spec has a potential to become a de-facto standard way of describing User Interfaces for Smalltalk projects from desktop to web and mobile, on a dialect and web framework neutral way. This project can contribute a piece toward that goal.
Best regards Janko
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
-- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
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