Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Alternative view of a system browser
Hi, nice work. Looking forward to play with it. Is it similar to the Newspeak browser? Where methods expand in place. Fernando On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I do not have a connection to look at it. But I LOVE the idea. I love the idea that we can prototype fast new tools and rethink how processesâ¦. Spec is one way to enable that. For example I love the GlamourInspector and it would be great to rewrite it with Spec. Thanks a lot. Stef
On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote:
I believe that the traditional SystemBrowser of Smalltalk of old has been made unusable by the amount of code (and structure) you find in today's Smalltalk images.
So this is to show you an alternative, a different way to browse through packages / classes and methods and code. This is Spec-based.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ic_fRnBXXdyqbiJ5NRP9YtMTjNZETYmyPJy0li...
What is missing / targeted ? * Drag and drop reorganisation of the tree as preferred / or as package / category reuse. * A good search facility in the tree. It is already keyboard navigation friendly (since the tree view is). * Most / All menu methods of a complete System Browser. I'm planning on reusing the OmniBrowser command structure as much as possible (to make it faster). * Funny ideas on how to use the tree structure : group / selection display, queries, metrics ... ** There is probably a lot more to be done here, but it would probably require Mondrian or other graph visualisation tools.
Expect the code sometime by the end of the week, in a Pharo 2.0 / Pharo 1.4 version.
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
We will have almost exactly that browser, very soon in Pharo :) I built an internal FileSystem which eventually will be used for versioning. Using the standard FileBrowser from Pharo on the internal FS delivers a very similar experience (albeit less code focused) as your example :) On 2012-07-21, at 08:55, Fernando Olivero wrote:
Hi, nice work. Looking forward to play with it. Is it similar to the Newspeak browser? Where methods expand in place.
Fernando
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I do not have a connection to look at it. But I LOVE the idea. I love the idea that we can prototype fast new tools and rethink how processesâ¦. Spec is one way to enable that. For example I love the GlamourInspector and it would be great to rewrite it with Spec. Thanks a lot. Stef
On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote:
I believe that the traditional SystemBrowser of Smalltalk of old has been made unusable by the amount of code (and structure) you find in today's Smalltalk images.
So this is to show you an alternative, a different way to browse through packages / classes and methods and code. This is Spec-based.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ic_fRnBXXdyqbiJ5NRP9YtMTjNZETYmyPJy0li...
What is missing / targeted ? * Drag and drop reorganisation of the tree as preferred / or as package / category reuse. * A good search facility in the tree. It is already keyboard navigation friendly (since the tree view is). * Most / All menu methods of a complete System Browser. I'm planning on reusing the OmniBrowser command structure as much as possible (to make it faster). * Funny ideas on how to use the tree structure : group / selection display, queries, metrics ... ** There is probably a lot more to be done here, but it would probably require Mondrian or other graph visualisation tools.
Expect the code sometime by the end of the week, in a Pharo 2.0 / Pharo 1.4 version.
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Le 22/07/2012 18:22, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
We will have almost exactly that browser, very soon in Pharo :) I built an internal FileSystem which eventually will be used for versioning. Using the standard FileBrowser from Pharo on the internal FS delivers a very similar experience (albeit less code focused) as your example :)
Yes, I believed it could very well. After all, this is the very same kind of organisation (tree-based). It could offer code sharing opportunities. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
Le 21/07/2012 08:55, Fernando Olivero a écrit :
Hi, nice work. Looking forward to play with it. Is it similar to the Newspeak browser? Where methods expand in place.
Fernando
No, not with the methods expanding in place. But yes, when looking at the tree. At the moment, it tries to answer two needs : A high level view of the overall system, down to as much detail you'd like (i.e. methods), but while still staying compact (overall view). And with a hierarchical organisation you can customize. A simple UI, so that you can play with multiple browsers at the same time (hence see multiple methods at the same time, that is two or three). I tried to look into a more advanced design, where I would be able to use the whole Pharo background image as the class tree, but I lack the correct data representation to make use of that (and it involves a bit more implementation effort). It would have looked this way : * A single graph / tree for the entire image, layed on the world morph, wher you can open / close subsets. * A few (3-5) simple morphs windows / editors with the look of a workspace, showing just the code of a method / a class, triggered by double-clicking on one item of the graph/tree. But the normal, treeMorph layout, is more vertical than horizontal, and would have not made good use of the screen real estate; also because when you look at the code organisation, it's not very deep : I've found only : * group of packages * package * Class category * Class * Class side of class * Method protocol * Method Which is only 7 deep at worst. I think this approach could be tried with a different representation, maybe using Mondrian? But at the same time, the tree morph is very powerful because it's very easy when doing keyboard navigation. Thierry
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
I do not have a connection to look at it. But I LOVE the idea. I love the idea that we can prototype fast new tools and rethink how processesâ¦. Spec is one way to enable that. For example I love the GlamourInspector and it would be great to rewrite it with Spec. Thanks a lot. Stef
On Jul 17, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote:
I believe that the traditional SystemBrowser of Smalltalk of old has been made unusable by the amount of code (and structure) you find in today's Smalltalk images.
So this is to show you an alternative, a different way to browse through packages / classes and methods and code. This is Spec-based.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ic_fRnBXXdyqbiJ5NRP9YtMTjNZETYmyPJy0li...
What is missing / targeted ? * Drag and drop reorganisation of the tree as preferred / or as package / category reuse. * A good search facility in the tree. It is already keyboard navigation friendly (since the tree view is). * Most / All menu methods of a complete System Browser. I'm planning on reusing the OmniBrowser command structure as much as possible (to make it faster). * Funny ideas on how to use the tree structure : group / selection display, queries, metrics ... ** There is probably a lot more to be done here, but it would probably require Mondrian or other graph visualisation tools.
Expect the code sometime by the end of the week, in a Pharo 2.0 / Pharo 1.4 version.
Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
-- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95
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