[Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
Please distribute this message around Dear Pharoers We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized. We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( stephane.ducasse@inria.fr / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50) Thanks for your support The Pharo Board M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and A. Lienhard
BTW, the call is also online at http://pharo-project.org/community/consortium Adrian On Feb 15, 2011, at 14:02 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Please distribute this message around
Dear Pharoers
We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( stephane.ducasse@inria.fr / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
Thanks for your support
The Pharo Board
M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and A. Lienhard
<Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>
This is a good effort. I have the letter ready for submission. May I ask what the 'conditions for membership' are likely to be? By signing the letter, we acknowledge our intent to join the consortium 'subject to the conditions for membership'. I would at least like to know what these are ;-) Johan On 15 Feb 2011, at 15:49, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
BTW, the call is also online at http://pharo-project.org/community/consortium
Adrian
On Feb 15, 2011, at 14:02 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Please distribute this message around
Dear Pharoers
We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( stephane.ducasse@inria.fr / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
Thanks for your support
The Pharo Board
M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and A. Lienhard
<Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>
On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Johan Brichau wrote:
This is a good effort. I have the letter ready for submission.
Thanks Johan!!!
May I ask what the 'conditions for membership' are likely to be? By signing the letter, we acknowledge our intent to join the consortium 'subject to the conditions for membership'. I would at least like to know what these are ;-)
The idea is that we do not know. We are prospecting to see if this is worth the pain (I believ it does but chekcing is always better). I thought that the english ('subject to the conditions for membership') wanted to say that depending on the condition so may be I should change the letter to make this part clearer.
Johan
On 15 Feb 2011, at 15:49, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
BTW, the call is also online at http://pharo-project.org/community/consortium
Adrian
On Feb 15, 2011, at 14:02 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Please distribute this message around
Dear Pharoers
We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( stephane.ducasse@inria.fr / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
Thanks for your support
The Pharo Board
M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and A. Lienhard
<Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>
would something like that more readable? On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Johan Brichau wrote:
This is a good effort. I have the letter ready for submission.
May I ask what the 'conditions for membership' are likely to be? By signing the letter, we acknowledge our intent to join the consortium 'subject to the conditions for membership'. I would at least like to know what these are ;-)
Johan
On 15 Feb 2011, at 15:49, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
BTW, the call is also online at http://pharo-project.org/community/consortium
Adrian
On Feb 15, 2011, at 14:02 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Please distribute this message around
Dear Pharoers
We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( stephane.ducasse@inria.fr / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
Thanks for your support
The Pharo Board
M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and A. Lienhard
<Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>
Stef, The revised language is much improved. I too am curious about what you have in mind on the conditions. Are you looking for support from institutions or individuals? I assume both, but the thresholds would be different for UF than for me by myself. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:00 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
The revised language is much improved.
tx
I too am curious about what you have in mind on the conditions.
We do not know. :) just fuzzy ideas. We will decide with the community. Because the point is that this is not our stuff but a tool that should serve the community. We were thinking - individual memberships - company memberships - institution memberships or/and a moral license so that you can buy pharo and a guy like igor/esteban can get pay to improve the infrastructure. or a bounty (but a moral license is good since it does not bind the task).
Are you looking for support from institutions or individuals? I assume both, but the thresholds would be different for UF than for me by myself.
Yes both. This would be excellent. Recently I was asking myself three essential questions beside having a market: ok we have a client so what - how do you control quality/process? - how do you control that your runtime engine is ok/safe/longlasting (else better take java vms there are plenty) - how do you reduce risk like truck factor in your community. Our main point is how can we minimize risk: I'm thinking to participate to a startup around a pharo software and here is a simple simple scenario: imagine that eliot gets hired by XXAS to do javascript/ruby whatever and andreas (which does not reply to my mails because I'm probably too insignificant) goes waco and that ian only shows up every three years instead of every year. do you think that it is wise for companies to invest in an open-source smalltalk? I would not. Now if we have a consortium, a build process, a quality process and one or two guys payed by the community to improve continously the system more than we can. Then this is a message I can understand as an investor. Since we want to make sure that you all can do business we want to reduce risk and provide a good case for process, quality and the rest. Stef
Bill
________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:00 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
Ok, I understand the goal. Count me in. El mié, 16-02-2011 a las 13:52 +0100, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
The revised language is much improved.
tx
I too am curious about what you have in mind on the conditions.
We do not know. :) just fuzzy ideas. We will decide with the community. Because the point is that this is not our stuff but a tool that should serve the community. We were thinking - individual memberships - company memberships - institution memberships or/and a moral license so that you can buy pharo and a guy like igor/esteban can get pay to improve the infrastructure. or a bounty (but a moral license is good since it does not bind the task).
Are you looking for support from institutions or individuals? I assume both, but the thresholds would be different for UF than for me by myself.
Yes both. This would be excellent.
Recently I was asking myself three essential questions beside having a market: ok we have a client so what - how do you control quality/process? - how do you control that your runtime engine is ok/safe/longlasting (else better take java vms there are plenty) - how do you reduce risk like truck factor in your community.
Our main point is how can we minimize risk: I'm thinking to participate to a startup around a pharo software and here is a simple simple scenario: imagine that eliot gets hired by XXAS to do javascript/ruby whatever and andreas (which does not reply to my mails because I'm probably too insignificant) goes waco and that ian only shows up every three years instead of every year. do you think that it is wise for companies to invest in an open-source smalltalk? I would not. Now if we have a consortium, a build process, a quality process and one or two guys payed by the community to improve continously the system more than we can. Then this is a message I can understand as an investor.
Since we want to make sure that you all can do business we want to reduce risk and provide a good case for process, quality and the rest.
Stef
Bill
________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:00 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
-- Miguel Cobá http://twitter.com/MiguelCobaMtz http://miguel.leugim.com.mx
Thanks miguel follow the process sign the letter and send it to me. On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Miguel Cobá wrote:
Ok, I understand the goal. Count me in.
El mié, 16-02-2011 a las 13:52 +0100, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
The revised language is much improved.
tx
I too am curious about what you have in mind on the conditions.
We do not know. :) just fuzzy ideas. We will decide with the community. Because the point is that this is not our stuff but a tool that should serve the community. We were thinking - individual memberships - company memberships - institution memberships or/and a moral license so that you can buy pharo and a guy like igor/esteban can get pay to improve the infrastructure. or a bounty (but a moral license is good since it does not bind the task).
Are you looking for support from institutions or individuals? I assume both, but the thresholds would be different for UF than for me by myself.
Yes both. This would be excellent.
Recently I was asking myself three essential questions beside having a market: ok we have a client so what - how do you control quality/process? - how do you control that your runtime engine is ok/safe/longlasting (else better take java vms there are plenty) - how do you reduce risk like truck factor in your community.
Our main point is how can we minimize risk: I'm thinking to participate to a startup around a pharo software and here is a simple simple scenario: imagine that eliot gets hired by XXAS to do javascript/ruby whatever and andreas (which does not reply to my mails because I'm probably too insignificant) goes waco and that ian only shows up every three years instead of every year. do you think that it is wise for companies to invest in an open-source smalltalk? I would not. Now if we have a consortium, a build process, a quality process and one or two guys payed by the community to improve continously the system more than we can. Then this is a message I can understand as an investor.
Since we want to make sure that you all can do business we want to reduce risk and provide a good case for process, quality and the rest.
Stef
Bill
________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse@inria.fr] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:00 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Call for Pharo Support **important**
-- Miguel Cobá http://twitter.com/MiguelCobaMtz http://miguel.leugim.com.mx
Of course I'm willing to sign, too. But to be honest I don't understand the meaning of "...in my capacity of.." Norbert On 15.02.2011, at 14:02, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Please distribute this message around
Dear Pharoers
We are pursuing an effort to bring Pharo to the next level: we will set up a consortium of pharo users and industrial partners. Our goal is to build a legal infrastructure that will be able to sustain the development of Pharo and improve its future. As an example, we would like to be able to collect funds (ways as to be determined - we foresee a membership model or moral license) to pay engineering tasks to be performed such as improving the virtual machine, network libraries, better JIT support. To make it short we would like to give a chance to our community to grow and structure itself so that Pharo can get stronger and that risk (truck factor) gets minimized.
We are contacting you to know if your company/research group would be interested to support such effort. Showing such interest is strategically important for us and INRIA which could also support such effort. Attached is the letter of support that we will collect once signed and scanned ( stephane.ducasse@inria.fr / faxed at: 00 33 (0)3 59 57 78 50)
Thanks for your support
The Pharo Board
M. Denker, S. Ducasse, and A. Lienhard
<Pharo-LetterOfSupport-EN.doc>
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Adrian Lienhard -
Johan Brichau -
Miguel Cobá -
Norbert Hartl -
Schwab,Wilhelm K -
Stéphane Ducasse