I think it is important a team working on application integration (Soap, rest servers, xml and binary rpc, C/Java/ .Net integration) for the enterprise pharo user :). On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>wrote:

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I think we should try this. IMO a task around SUnit & friends is missing.

sign in for it and lead it. What I would like is a small agenda so that other people can see what is happening and if they want to help join.

...

Laurent.

Mariano could you add a page will all the information on the wiki? Stef

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Dear Pharoers

I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.

Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.

What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name

Fuel

a topic

An object graph serializer

a coordinator

Mariano Martinez Peck

a group of interested participants,

Martin Dias

a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more),

- Pharo itself - persistency - SandstoneDB (already done). - Pier kernel persistency (already done). - Moose model import/export (already done). - Newspeak.

a little agenda,

Lot of open issues: http://code.google.com/p/fuel/issues/list

a web presence on the web page

http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel

If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients

- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,

- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE

- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien

- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?

- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,

- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?

- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?

So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.

What do you think? I think that it is important.

Stef

-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

I think that what would be great is to have a list of next items Stef On Jul 1, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

So....I've created a wiki page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams can you please help me to add the rest ??? I did it in a "table" way, but I am not sure if it is the best.

In addition, some text explaining the idea would be nice :)

thanks for the help

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote: I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Dear Pharoers

I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.

Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.

What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page

If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients

- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,

- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE

- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien

- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?

- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,

- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?

- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?

So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.

What do you think? I think that it is important.

Stef

-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

I would do it if you give me access to edit the page. Cheers, Doru On 24 Jul 2011, at 10:29, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

Doru can you add the page on morphic on this list? Marcus can you add a page to OPAL? with pending todo? Damien can you add one for Coral?

...

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams

I added RPackage http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/RPackageRoadmap so that people can follow the effort.

Stef

Here is what I wrote.

Introduction

The current status is that RPackage works well with a one to one mapping package - category.

Done:

• All the events have been migrated from systemNotifier to SystemAnnouncer?. The package SystemAnnouncement? is ready for inclusion. This means that RPackage does not rely on systemnotifier to keep its data in sync. This also means that SystemAnnouncer? can be folded in the system and that other tools can use it. And that we will be able to remove SystemNotifier?. Nautilus is only based on SystemNotifier?. • A lot of tests. In addition tests are written in a way that the central RPackageOrganizer is not impacted by test running. • Nautilus and Moose using RPackage. Nautilus is based on RPackage. Moose uses RPackage as a cache since months. • Identification of the clients using PackageInfo?. We started to identify clients of PackageInfo? to prepare migration phase. Next steps:

• Clean RPackage (because some functionality were copied from PackageInfo?): • Problem Gofer and the some package of RefactoringEngine? rely on this API • Solution: include Refactoring packages in 1.4 and modify it there. In 1.4 we want OCompletion, Ecompletion and Refactoring in the image so this fits well. In subsequent versions we may republish them as separate packages. • Adding Package Tags. Since people do not want (but have no time to do it - funny isn't) to have one -one mapping between category and package. We will add tags the idea is to be able to have classes sorted inside a package. Pack1 - Tag1 ClassA ClassB - Tag2 ClassC ClassD ClassA Pack2 - Tag1 - Tag3 • MC shoud use RPackage to save information • Tags should be saved in MC package • New MC Browser

-- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."

Thanks. I entered a row for the Glamorous Toolkit. The next thing is to enter the issues. Doru On 24 Jul 2011, at 11:35, Damien Cassou wrote:

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:

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I would do it if you give me access to edit the page.

that should work with your tudor.girba@gmail.com account.

-- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

-- www.tudorgirba.com "Yesterday is a fact. Tomorrow is a possibility. Today is a challenge."

I would add one for profilers and friends. Alexandre could be the coordinator there.

Yes! put me in Alexandre

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: Dear Pharoers

I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy.

Analysis of the current situation: Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies.

What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with a name a topic a coordinator a group of interested participants, a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), a little agenda, a web presence on the web page

If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients

- The Z connection: Network/Socket Coordinator (proposed): Sven Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier Clients: Seasiders, Clouders,

- Morphic 2: UI: Alain Gary Igor Coordinator (proposed): ? Presenty framework VoidNullPointer UIBuilder Athens Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE

- Pharo IDE: Coordinator (proposed): Doru work around TWM Laurent Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent Glamourous: Doru Damien

- OPAL: Compiler tool chain Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? Jb, Jorge, Marcus, Helvetia lukas Niko Schwarz?

- Package: Stef, Cyrille Coordinator (proposed): Stephane Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose,

- Metacello Dale Mariano Coordinator (proposed): Dale? Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here?

- Coral: Coordinator (proposed): Damien? Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, Client: Damien, Olivier?

So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda.

What do you think? I think that it is important.

Stef

-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

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