Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival
First, I'm not using Squeak. Second, this is not the first time I've heard that xyz was going to wipe out Smalltalk's place in the world, and I doubt it will be the last. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Eagle Offshore [mailto:eagleoffshore@mac.com] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:09 AM To: Schwab,Wilhelm K Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival Then what are you doing with Squeak? :-) The browsers support offline development with local databases in HTML 5. This is here, now. They will replace squeak's mission in about another three years. Probably less. On Feb 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
There is the further concern about the browser. It wastes screen space (which is at a premium) and adds weight and distracting functionality. There is something to be said for the a fat client app that does what it needs to do and nothing else.
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Eagle Offshore Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:23 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival
I wouldn't be so sure.
http://html5demos.com/ http://jqtouch.com/
On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
there is no way in hell that HTML+CSS+JavaScript is going to keep up
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Squeak - Pharo - same thing. I didn't say it would wipe out Smalltalk's place in the world - I said it will fulfill its mission - which is one more level of marginalization. At this point, it is easier to write a portable desktop app in a webkit based browser than it is to write one in Pharo. On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:20 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
First, I'm not using Squeak. Second, this is not the first time I've heard that xyz was going to wipe out Smalltalk's place in the world, and I doubt it will be the last.
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: Eagle Offshore [mailto:eagleoffshore@mac.com] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:09 AM To: Schwab,Wilhelm K Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival
Then what are you doing with Squeak? :-) The browsers support offline development with local databases in HTML 5. This is here, now. They will replace squeak's mission in about another three years. Probably less.
On Feb 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
There is the further concern about the browser. It wastes screen space (which is at a premium) and adds weight and distracting functionality. There is something to be said for the a fat client app that does what it needs to do and nothing else.
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Eagle Offshore Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:23 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival
I wouldn't be so sure.
http://html5demos.com/ http://jqtouch.com/
On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
there is no way in hell that HTML+CSS+JavaScript is going to keep up
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Squeak != Pharo. We're happy to interact, but the mission statement is more than just words. With respect to marginalization, I'm not writing portable web apps, which is exactly my point: web technologies have their purposes and limitations, and attempts to use them as some type of intergalactic-fix-all is probably going to work out poorly. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Eagle Offshore Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:02 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival Squeak - Pharo - same thing. I didn't say it would wipe out Smalltalk's place in the world - I said it will fulfill its mission - which is one more level of marginalization. At this point, it is easier to write a portable desktop app in a webkit based browser than it is to write one in Pharo. On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:20 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
First, I'm not using Squeak. Second, this is not the first time I've heard that xyz was going to wipe out Smalltalk's place in the world, and I doubt it will be the last.
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: Eagle Offshore [mailto:eagleoffshore@mac.com] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:09 AM To: Schwab,Wilhelm K Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival
Then what are you doing with Squeak? :-) The browsers support offline development with local databases in HTML 5. This is here, now. They will replace squeak's mission in about another three years. Probably less.
On Feb 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
There is the further concern about the browser. It wastes screen space (which is at a premium) and adds weight and distracting functionality. There is something to be said for the a fat client app that does what it needs to do and nothing else.
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Eagle Offshore Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:23 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Scamper revival
I wouldn't be so sure.
http://html5demos.com/ http://jqtouch.com/
On Feb 27, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
there is no way in hell that HTML+CSS+JavaScript is going to keep up
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web technologies have their purposes and limitations, and attempts to use them as some type of intergalactic-fix-all is probably going to work out poorly.
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