Re: [Pharo-project] the glamorous toolkit project
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev). The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way! I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :) cheers, Esteban El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
Thanks, Esteban. Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable. Cheers, Doru On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together... cheers mariano On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is
definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
Hi Mariano, Thanks for the suggestions. As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :). Cheers, Doru On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
Regarding selection and multiple selections i recommend reading [1] , the chapter on Unification, section 5-2-1. It explains the current issues with the selection and provides hints on implementing a better scheme. [1] Jef Raskin, The Humane Interface. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Mariano,
Thanks for the suggestions.
As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :).
Cheers, Doru
On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? Â do you want to succeed? Â Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is  already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
   Marcus
-- Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
If only Cog for linux wouldn't crash whenever I try to save code to monticello... this would streamline the process :) If I have some time I'll look into it... Eliot! cheers, Toon On 03/14/2011 08:31 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Mariano,
Thanks for the suggestions.
As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :).
Cheers, Doru
On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba<tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
If only Cog for linux wouldn't crash whenever I try to save code to monticello... this would streamline the process :)
did you check the UUID pluggin?
If I have some time I'll look into it... Eliot!
cheers, Toon
On 03/14/2011 08:31 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Mariano,
Thanks for the suggestions.
As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :).
Cheers, Doru
On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba<tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
On 03/15/2011 01:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
If only Cog for linux wouldn't crash whenever I try to save code to monticello... this would streamline the process :) did you check the UUID pluggin? Meaning? If I have some time I'll look into it... Eliot!
cheers, Toon
On 03/14/2011 08:31 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Mariano,
Thanks for the suggestions.
As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :).
Cheers, Doru
On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba<tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
are you on linux? because the UUID plugin on certain distributions is crashing. On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 03/15/2011 01:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
If only Cog for linux wouldn't crash whenever I try to save code to monticello... this would streamline the process :) did you check the UUID pluggin? Meaning? If I have some time I'll look into it... Eliot!
cheers, Toon
On 03/14/2011 08:31 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Mariano,
Thanks for the suggestions.
As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :).
Cheers, Doru
On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba<tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
Yes I'm on Ubuntu 10.10. If you tell me what the steps are, I'll try it out. On 03/15/2011 01:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
are you on linux? because the UUID plugin on certain distributions is crashing.
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 03/15/2011 01:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
If only Cog for linux wouldn't crash whenever I try to save code to monticello... this would streamline the process :) did you check the UUID pluggin? Meaning? If I have some time I'll look into it... Eliot!
cheers, Toon
On 03/14/2011 08:31 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Mariano,
Thanks for the suggestions.
As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :).
Cheers, Doru
On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba<tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
Yes I'm on Ubuntu 10.10. If you tell me what the steps are, I'll try it out.
remove the plugin and look into the FAQ or google in the squeak-vm mailing-list may be install squeak4.2 vm
On 03/15/2011 01:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
are you on linux? because the UUID plugin on certain distributions is crashing.
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 03/15/2011 01:13 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Toon Verwaest wrote:
If only Cog for linux wouldn't crash whenever I try to save code to monticello... this would streamline the process :) did you check the UUID pluggin? Meaning? If I have some time I'll look into it... Eliot!
cheers, Toon
On 03/14/2011 08:31 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
Hi Mariano,
Thanks for the suggestions.
As I said, you are welcome to participate. It does not have to be much. You can just spend a bit of time to learn Glamour and then play 15 minutes per day :).
Cheers, Doru
On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:34, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Tudor? do you want to succeed? Do a kind of OB but with multiple selection :) I would like to remove, for example, several methods together...
cheers
mariano
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Tudor Girba<tudor.girba@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks, Esteban.
Jorge did a nice job at improving it to handle special objects. There are still a couple of situations left, but it is already reliable.
Cheers, Doru
On 13 Mar 2011, at 19:33, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
wow.... GTInspector is really great :) gamorous tools are becoming very interesting... keep going that way!
I do believe in the near future GT can replace OB as our default IDE, if we continue improving like this :)
cheers, Esteban
El 13/03/2011, a las 10:34a.m., Marcus Denker escribió:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."
-- www.tudorgirba.com
"From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
I think that this is a good idea. Having the Core tools better is definitely a good thing.
One thing to keep in mind is that we need (ass soon as possible) to have *one* set of tools... with OB we have seen that we have just not the manpower to in parallel maintain two sets of tools (Core vs. Dev).
The notion of "Core Tools" is broken. Whichever tools we do in the future need to *replace* the old tools.
Yes we are working on it. We started to rebuild the finder, the recentmessage list. Now we just go at the speed we can afford to have. Stef
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
participants (7)
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Esteban Lorenzano -
Fernando Olivero -
Marcus Denker -
Mariano Martinez Peck -
Stéphane Ducasse -
Toon Verwaest -
Tudor Girba