Re: [Pharo-project] Enable #alwaysOpenFullDebugger: and fastDragging:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ... You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :) So set your own ^^ Ben On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ...
That doesn't work. I have 10 different images per day. Replicating a file for each folder for each image does not work. Startup Preferences will only work for me when it automatically searches in $HOME or some other shared place.
You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :)
So set your own ^^
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
That's because you dunno how to use it :) Startup preferences let you set it once and for all (I am also downloading 10 images per day ^^) Ben On May 3, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote: That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ...
That doesn't work. I have 10 different images per day. Replicating a file for each folder for each image does not work. Startup Preferences will only work for me when it automatically searches in $HOME or some other shared place.
You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :)
So set your own ^^
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
That's because you dunno how to use it :)
Explain me how I can use it then.
Startup preferences let you set it once and for all (I am also downloading 10 images per day ^^)
Even if I have to do it once. I won't copy paste a file for every single image I want to use.
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ...
That doesn't work. I have 10 different images per day. Replicating a file for each folder for each image does not work. Startup Preferences will only work for me when it automatically searches in $HOME or some other shared place.
You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :)
So set your own ^^
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Have a look at StartupLoader class >> #example You defined it once for all your images, using only one file :) That's the goal :) Ben On May 3, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote: That's because you dunno how to use it :)
Explain me how I can use it then.
Startup preferences let you set it once and for all (I am also downloading 10 images per day ^^)
Even if I have to do it once. I won't copy paste a file for every single image I want to use.
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote: That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ...
That doesn't work. I have 10 different images per day. Replicating a file for each folder for each image does not work. Startup Preferences will only work for me when it automatically searches in $HOME or some other shared place.
You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :)
So set your own ^^
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Yeah, but that doesn't works because we disabled lookup for startup scripts unless in image directory. And we disabled that because it was not working for windows (maybe we should reintroduce it, but need to fix it for windows). See PreferencesHandler>>#buildActionList Esteban On May 3, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Benjamin wrote:
Have a look at StartupLoader class >> #example
You defined it once for all your images, using only one file :) That's the goal :)
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote: That's because you dunno how to use it :)
Explain me how I can use it then.
Startup preferences let you set it once and for all (I am also downloading 10 images per day ^^)
Even if I have to do it once. I won't copy paste a file for every single image I want to use.
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote: That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ...
That doesn't work. I have 10 different images per day. Replicating a file for each folder for each image does not work. Startup Preferences will only work for me when it automatically searches in $HOME or some other shared place.
You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :)
So set your own ^^
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
Have a look at StartupLoader class >> #example
You defined it once for all your images, using only one file :) That's the goal :)
buildActionList "First, we look at image folder, then we look at preferences folder, and finally at general preferences folder " self flag: #todo. "I'm disabling this sequence because lookup of preferences folder is broken in windows." ^ OrderedCollection new add: [ self lookInImageDirectory ]; "add: [self lookInPreferencesFolder ]; add: [self lookInGeneralPreferencesFolder ];" yourself. so how does it work for you? I am sorry for Windows users but I would do: buildActionList "First, we look at image folder, then we look at preferences folder, and finally at general preferences folder " | directories | self flag: #todo. "I'm disabling this sequence because lookup of preferences folder is broken in windows." directories := OrderedCollection new. directories add: [ self lookInImageDirectory ]. (OSPlatform current platformFamily = #Windows) ifFalse: [ directories add: [self lookInPreferencesFolder ]. directories add: [self lookInGeneralPreferencesFolder ]. ]. ^ directories
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
That's because you dunno how to use it :)
Explain me how I can use it then.
Startup preferences let you set it once and for all (I am also downloading 10 images per day ^^)
Even if I have to do it once. I won't copy paste a file for every single image I want to use.
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ...
That doesn't work. I have 10 different images per day. Replicating a file for each folder for each image does not work. Startup Preferences will only work for me when it automatically searches in $HOME or some other shared place.
You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :)
So set your own ^^
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
That's exactly the scenario Startup Preferences has been designed for ...
You can't make the whole community liking your preferences :)
But having good defaults is nice too. I also think pre debugger does give me no value. More on, Mariano is being very soft, I should ask to remove it directly :P.
So set your own ^^
Ben
On May 3, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr>wrote:
On May 3, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi guys. There are 2 settings that I ALWAYS need to change and I think it would be nice to have them by default:
1) Always show debugger and avoid pre-debugger windows. It makes no sense for development. It takes you the double of time. What does the pre-debug brings you? nothing. If you want to proceed, then the debugger also has that option. If you want to abandon, you can just close the debugger. So, we should enable this. If someone wanst the pre-debugger fwindows for a reasons, then he should enable it.
2) Fast dragging. The normal dragging is slow in old machines and slow when there are lots of opened windows. The fast drag is much faster and nicer because since it is transparent you can even see what is below.
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
I was trying to be diplomatic. Ok: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5787 FixToInclude. No more emails ;)
-- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Let's do a quick survey. We have 24 hrs. Do not vote if you didn't try it.
I start:
Debugger alwaysOpenFullDebugger: true. +1 UITheme currentSettings fastDragging: true. +1
Please do a doodle. We have already too many mails on the mailinglist.
+3 (+1 to the doodle, +1 to debugger, +1 to fast dragging)
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Mariano Martinez Peck